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  • 58 months ago
  • 1 point

, but that is not what we are talking about. Games are more GPU dependant. If you pair a titan x with an 860k, it wont be able to perform to the max as the CPU will hold it back.

That statement contradicts itself.

That is the reason that when you pair it with an i5, the FPS will improve dramatically.

What if the Titan X is driving a 4K monitor? What if it's driving 3X4K monitors?

If the performance goal is high FPS, then the i5/i7 is a requirement to achieve that goal regardless of whether we are using a $100 GPU at 720P, or a whole freaking stack of $1000 GPUs at 4K.

but that is not the same story with the titan x.... The titan X will not perform the same with an i5 and 860k. The performance with the 860k will be mediocre, so what is happening? the 860k will hold back or bottleneck the titan x.

it will be functional.... but very unbalance,

What if the performance goal is 30FPS at ultra settings on a 4K 30hz display?

The 860K can easily meet that performance goal in 99% of games and conditions. The Titan X is a good match to running 4K at ultra settings at ~30FPS in many modern visually intensive games:

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_Titan_X/9.html

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_Titan_X/12.html

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_Titan_X/16.html

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_Titan_X/17.html

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_Titan_X/18.html

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_Titan_X/19.html

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_Titan_X/21.html

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_Titan_X/22.html

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_Titan_X/25.html

I mean look at all these games that are GPU bound to 30-45FPS at 4K on a titan X. You're telling me an i5 would be better than an 860K for this performance and visual quality goal? I call bull.

BUT you said there is no relation between cpu and GPU BUT there IS!!!

You're completely misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm saying that the relationship you understand, is built on mysticism. Go back and read what I'm saying here. If the CPU meets the performance goals, and the GPU meets the visual quality goals, and both are being well utilized, then they will work together to fulfill the goals of the build just fine. You're implying that an Titan X "needs" an i5 to create a "balanced" rig. This is only true if the performance goals of the rig call for the compute performance of an i5. If the performance goals call for an i5, then you use an i5, this has absolutely nothing to do with the GPU selection. ANY GPU can be configured to achieve higher FPS unless otherwise bottle-necked by visual quality settings or CPU.

You see how it's totally ridiculous to declare that a CPU X with GPU Y is "unbalanced" based on some generalities, with no performance or visual quality goals considered?

the 860k will hold back or bottleneck the titan x.

It doesn't matter if you take that 860K and pair it with a GTX750r, or a Titan X, or whatever, the performance floor set by the CPU is the same, so if you want more performance with EITHER of these GPUs, you'd have to increase the CPU performance and reduce the visual quality settings.

The RELATIONSHIP that you seem to think exists here, is that a more expensive GPU, for some mystical reason, needs a more expensive CPU to create a "balanced" system. There is no such relationship. Given an appropriate balance of compute and render workload any CPU and GPU can be well utilized together.

  • 50 months ago
  • 2 points

That moment when you try to win a argument with Allan but get slammed into a brick wall with facts...

  • 50 months ago
  • 1 point

Ok, think about this, take a soda bottle, fill it with water, then pour it out. See how long it takes. Then take that bottle and cut the top neck off, (the BOTTLE NECK) and pour out the water, this will be a lot faster than the first time. This is called a BOTTLENECK, as the flow is limited by the NECK OF THE BOTTLE. Imagine a 5960x with quad sli titans, you get 500fps in every game (theoretical). Now take out the 5960x and replace it with a x4 860k. You get 100fps. This means the x4 860k is bottle necking your quad sli setup. This is accepted by EVERYONE in the tech sphere. It's not just cpu gpu either, it can be ram HDD monitor, anything. This isn't disputed by anyone. It exists and its real.

  • 50 months ago
  • 1 point

You aren't going to win any argument with him, you might as well give up and throw in the towel if that is your goal. Also this account isn't active anymore, his new account is Allan_M_Systems. Also you apparently didn't read his posts good, he isn't saying bottlenecks don't exist, he is talking about "balanced" builds and the like.

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