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Bartholemew 1 month ago

So I was talking to a friend the other day, and for some reason or another we had just witnessed a shocking display of behaviour from a student to a teacher. This kid was being such a jerk and i felt sorry for the teacher. The teacher was being insulted about his personal belongings, hairstyle and even his choice of clothes. Now, this teacher was very patient with him and kindly asked him to sit down and calm down or walk out the classroom. He would not oblige so the teacher, gently pushed him out the door, all the while being yelled at by the kid for "child abuse." Backup finally arrives in the form of three more male teachers that escort him to the office to be picked up by his parents. Later that week I heard that the student had only been given a one week ban from school. Why can't the teacher use more force? I'm not saying that the teacher should have been able to beat the kid half to death, i'm saying that with these laws set in place today kids can actually run riot at a school all the while not being able to be detained by teachers. I know the last 20 years the cane has been gradually outlawed by authorities for being too violent for students. But back in those days people were generally more well behaved in class due to the cane. Teachers back then would also use the cane at every given opportunity, from wrong haircuts to answering back. So I thought this should not be the case however if the cane was brought back in, but only used in extreme circumstances such as this example I have explained above. I would like to see your thoughts on the matter below. Do you agree or disagree? By the way, I am not an adult yet and have never lived through the era's where kids have been whipped.

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Growliff1234 5 points 1 month ago

Physical punishment angers people, it is degrading to a person to be physically harmed. It is more of a mental social hierarchy that degrades people then it is the pain. I personally hate being physically hit by anyone, it makes me irrationally angry, I'm a junior in high school, if they tried to use a cane on me I would be livid.

EDIT: What I'm saying is, from what I could see it would do less good than most would think. There are a lot of people out there like me that cannot stand being physically hit, it is funny because, if they used it on me for talking in class it would be okay. But, if they were to randomly start hitting me with the cane it would be assault and I could sue them over it because that is an offense to assault a minor obviously. To me, it just wouldn't make sense.

tragiktimes101 3 points 1 month ago

You didn't grow up to getting your *** beat by a paddle with holes in it by the teachers/principals. Would you be livid? Maybe. Would you behave? Definitely.

Growliff1234 1 point 1 month ago

Doubtful, I respect my parents, they used to do that to me. I didn't lash out to them, the teachers, it depends. EDIT: I obviously wouldn't hit a female teacher, and very doubtfully hit one at all.

tragiktimes101 1 point 1 month ago

Having grown up fearing the paddle, you would have behaved.

Growliff1234 1 point 1 month ago

I didn't fear it, because I soon stopped giving them a reason. I don't really care to do anything that causes people issues. I don't like people annoying me so I don't bother other people.

tragiktimes101 1 point 1 month ago

That's pretty much the same way I feel. But I go a whoopin' if I got too out of line when I was growing up, by teachers and parents.

Bartholemew submitter 1 point 1 month ago

I was wondering, that if they changed the laws, this could not be classed as an assault and would have to be accepted by people as a severe punishment.

That's not the point he was trying to make, studies have been done for decades now. Go look at John B. Watson and his theories on child rearing. This coming from one of the biggest proprietors of learned behaviors. He talked about how children are malleable to the point of being able to choose the profession of a child from childbirth, how honest they will be, and how they will treat their children. He said that by showing the child that someone that loves and is supposed to care for them is supposed to be cold and hard, is telling them that is how they should act. It's not a legal issue, it is a moral issue. Should someone be allowed to alter how a child sees the world in such a negative and forceful manner?

I know the kid was being a little **** but notice how the teacher handled it. That takes an impressive amount of restraint to not yell at the kid. That, in my opinion is how these things should be handled.

Bartholemew submitter 1 point 1 month ago

Yeah, but i was wondering what else could be implemented instead of lame punishments from politically correct teachers. I think that maybe the cane is a tad too harsh but something should be done about arrogant kids or its just going to get worse as more and more kids will stop fearing these lame punishments. I dunno.

That teacher was especially nice. I've had teachers call the resource officer on the troublemakers. It's what that teacher decides to do and what that teacher deems necessary.

Bartholemew submitter 1 point 1 month ago

I agree.

tragiktimes101 1 point 1 month ago

Yeah, the teacher handled it fine. But the student, the one whose behavior is supposed to be molded in school, benefits none from 1 week OSS. The punishment will not change their attitude, so what's the point of the punishment at all?

In my experience kids who are restrained and taken by the resource officer aren't keen to repeat the experience. Punishments should be and can be harder with things like expulsion but what I would like to see is community service as punishment, I've done hours of that and it has given me a different outlook on thins in life.

tragiktimes101 1 point 1 month ago

Anecdotally speaking, expulsion was considered a vacation to many kids in my school. As far as community service goes, I've seen it go both ways. There is a point where physical punishment is the only effective consequence to one's actions.

haribohungry 4 points 1 month ago

Yes, corporal punishment should be brought back. But shouldn't be used for every nit picky thing, and instead used more as a public example when someone does something purposefully harmful or demeaning to someone.

I have had physical punishments by my parents and they are very effective at short term sub ordinance. But to get long term sub ordinance the teacher must take themselves and their students seriously but still show some humanity to them. There are many cases at my school where corporal punishment would have been used because my school is full of wealthy spoiled affluenzic kids who have no respect for authority and the teachers trying to make them learn to become better.

Bartholemew submitter 2 points 1 month ago

Sounds a bit like my school. I go to a private school and most the kids will have their own business one day. These kids are very arrogant and hang around in large groups annoying the **** out of everyone else. They take detentions so often, they don't care.

Nullarc77 2 Builds 3 points 1 month ago

I think the problem is that parents do not discipline their kids. When I was younger and I did something stupid or disrespected my parents they would spank me. Nothing to major just one or two hits on my butt and it was over. It paid off. I never disrespect my parents or any other adult. People constantly tell my parents how polite and respectful I am. I am 14 years old now. My parents stopped spanking me about five or six years ago. Now I will just get grounded. Or in if I do something really stupid my Dad will have me do this thing called sitting on the wall. Basically you put your back against the wall and squat down until your knees and hips are in a straight line. If you don't think that sounds painful just try it. He will have me do it for a certain amount of time and if we drop before the time is up then we restart. It is extremely painful and after a minute will make most kids my age burst out crying. But I have no problem with it because the only time I do that is when I do something really stupid. I think something like sitting on the wall should be implemented. It does not physically harm them but it teaches them that if you do something stupid you will eventually pay for it. It is nothing worse then something you may do in a sport and in some sports they will have that as part of the warm up. I had to do at a football training camp type thing. I see nothing wrong with spanking a kid. I do see a problem with beating a kid however. Hitting a kid on the butt a few times with your hand or a belt will not cause any permanent harm. Beating them is completely different. As a kid that got spanked I can say it works. I knew that my parents did it because they loved me and not because they hated me. But they never hit my anywhere but my butt. And it never lasted more then a thirty seconds. But as the kids get older it starts to not hurt nearly as much. SO that is why my dad used the wall sitting method of discipline. But that was my parents. If a teacher ever hit me my dad would have sent him to the hospital if it was a guy, And my mom would have handled it if it was a woman. My parents didn't even let my grandparents spank me and my grandmother lived with us for several years. Its not child abuse to swat a kid a few times on his backside. It is to punch him or her. Again I am currently 14 years old. So as a modern kid who got spanked I say it works.

Bartholemew submitter 1 point 1 month ago

I used to be spanked as a kid as well. It really did help me to become a better person. My parents stopped spanking me about 5 years ago as well. Now, at 14 years old, my mum just yells at me in public to shame me. It's alot more effective than any physical punishment. Lol.

Nullarc77 2 Builds 1 point 1 month ago

Well nice to know that there are other parents besides mine that are willing to put fear into their kids. It is the most effective way to have the most behaved kids. I don't hate my parents or anyone else. I know that every time they spanked me it was because they loved me and that it would turn out good in time. I did not know it then but looking back I do. The fear of being put through a physical hell is what made me be respectful when I was younger and now I do it because it is the right thing to do. My parents have never yelled at me in public however. They prefer to wait until we get home. Then my dad would take care of things. If we do something really bad he will have us do this thing where we do wall sits and then run the stair. It sucks. I hate it. But I have only had to do it twice. It lasted for like half an hour and I was so exhausted.

The thing is physical punishment against high schoolers and especially troublemakers is just going piss you off. Imagine having your English teacher tell you to go do planks or something else like that. Either the kid would make a huge deal and become a bigger disruption or he would contest the teacher which could lead to something even worse. In my opinion having a resource officer ready to come pick up troublesome students is the best action.

Nullarc77 2 Builds 2 points 1 month ago

That is why I said parents need to discipline their kids. If a kid does not fear the punishment his parents will give them if they misbehave or disrespect an adult then the parents are failing at their job. Getting grounded is for minor stuff. But for something like insulting a teacher the kid's parents should make that kid fear doing that ever again. However if you do not do this when the kid is young then by the time they are in high school it is too late. At that point the only way to discipline them is just to put them through physical hell. And yes it is rude of a kid to yell at a teacher and the kid should be punished but that simply shows failure on the parents part. Not saying that the parents have completely failed but it does show some failure to put the fear of the parents into the kid. I am 6'8" and my dad is 6'2", My mom is 5'10". I outmatch both of them in speed and strength but I fear them because they do control my life. If I disrespect them they can literally take everything from me and put me through a physical hell. That is why I respect them and any other adult. If an adult is acting stupid I still don't act disrespectful. If someone is being stupid I usually leave the room if I can.

elvenson 4 Builds 3 points 1 month ago

Let's just say that lack of a whooping leads to the current problem of debilitating liberal butt hurt that destroys a nation... But a cane is very extreme, and a teacher definitely shouldn't be the one administering physical punishment.... I mean a smack or spanking is one thing, but a full on beating is simply abusive and should never be tolerated.

And I'm not saying to hit your kids, just that there's too much effort to never let them get hurt ever when sometimes it's exactly what may be needed for learning a lesson.

Abuse is a horrible thing, we just have too many warning labels and not enough consequences is all

MannyPCs 1 point 1 month ago

Especially if they land up getting beaten for something they didn't do, you can't undo violence.

elvenson 4 Builds 1 point 1 month ago

Exactly.

Be firm, reinforce as needed, do not beat them.

vagabond139 5 Builds 2 points 1 month ago

I imagine the kind of kids that would be getting would probably hit the teacher back...Are they going to fight the kids if they hit back? Can't imagine that ending physically well for the teacher and legally for the student. Call the police? It just seems like it would create more problems than it would solve. Plus its a ineffective method of punishment.

vagabond139 5 Builds 1 point 1 month ago

I imagine the kind of kids that would be getting would probably hit the teacher back...

I imagine the kind of kids that would be getting hit would probably hit the teacher back...*

tragiktimes101 1 point 1 month ago

Can't imagine that ending physically well for the teacher

Old age and treachery beat youth and strength every time.

vagabond139 5 Builds 1 point 1 month ago

A female teacher (the majority of teachers) will simply get a beat down and then some if they got in a fight in with nearly any upper classman male high schooler. Even if its a male teacher its not going to end well for either.

tragiktimes101 1 point 1 month ago

I have to starkly disagree with you there. Having worked in a prison for several years I witnessed hundred of fights between male guards and female inmates, female guards and male inmates, and every other mash up possible. The fight that sticks out in my mind as the most brutal was between 1 female offender against another female offender and a male guard. The first offender completely mopped the floor with the inmate and then went toe to toe with the guard for five minutes. I have never seen someone with so much stamina. She didn't even look winded. Well, this has grown to be a tangent, and a highly specific one at that, but highlights the lack of a black and white scenario.

We also should note that in my old school, and I'm sure many others, that if I saw a student strike a teacher (saw once, but didn't have time to interfere) I would **** them up, as would many other students.

Just because some students would rebel physically against corporate punishment doesn't mean it should be discounted as a viable punishment.

NOTE: I say the most brutal fight I saw because even though I saw far more brutal beatings, those were far from fights (usually involving boiled liquids and other makeshift weapons).

vagabond139 5 Builds 1 point 1 month ago

I have to starkly disagree with you there. Having worked in a prison for several years I witnessed hundred of fights between male guards and female inmates, female guards and male inmates, and every other mash up possible. The fight that sticks out in my mind as the most brutal was between 1 female offender against another female offender and a male guard. The first offender completely mopped the floor with the inmate and then went toe to toe with the guard for five minutes. I have never seen someone with so much stamina. She didn't even look winded. Well, this has grown to be a tangent, and a highly specific one at that, but highlights the lack of a black and white scenario.

I really don't think a middle age soccer momish woman(what I notice to be about the average teacher) is going to remotely stand a chance in a fight against a male high schooler that is a adult size and isn't out of shape. Plus there are some very large HS students that would even put up a good fight for a male teacher.

tragiktimes101 1 point 1 month ago

This still doesn't make sense as an argument against corporal punishment. It implies that we can't do it because kids will retort with violence. There was corporal punishment in school for years. It's still practiced at my old HS. So it's not as if this is a new thing, or unheard of. If the student strikes the teacher back, they are expelled or placed in Juvenile Custody for a while until they can return. Simple as that.

Also, I'm just going to throw my "2-cents" out there and say that's probably too big of a section of text to be quoting from. It can lose all meaning when the quote you are discussing is twice as long as the statements that follow. I'm sorry if this comes across as critical, it's just how it appears to me.

Bartholemew submitter 1 point 1 month ago

Perhaps corporal punishment should stop before high school?

Edit: HS students are now almost mature adults, they should be able to know the difference between right and wrong.

Bartholemew submitter 1 point 1 month ago

Were these fights at prisons?

tragiktimes101 1 point 1 month ago

Mostly. But I've seen some pretty mean ones at my old school too.

Captaincow285 1 point 1 month ago

Schools have to follow due process - and if they don't follow it, they can get sued or shut down.

I agree that that kid should have been caned - can't believe I'm saying this, but in this case corporal punishment is deserved.

They should just expell the kid next time. That's what my school district did to one kid - after half a decade of annoying teachers, he got expelled from middle school. The next school that would take him - I actually don't know, but after middle school he came back to my high school and was much more behaved, though I believe he has to travel with a school corrections officer.

TheOfficialCzex 3 Builds 1 point 1 month ago

Kids are simultaneously the best and worst type of people. The most anyone can do is to accept it and try to better them through conversation rather than through violence. As a child, adolescent, and teenager, my parents would beat me mercilessly for the most trivial of reasons (earning less than an A+/>95 on an assignment, for example). It has made me a better individual today; however, I don't believe its disciplinary strengthening abilities are worth the pain and degradation the child incurs. It is minimal in its positive effects at best.

By the way, I am not an adult yet and have never lived through the era's where kids have been whipped.

If you had lived through that era, you would be able to see why we avoid corporal punishment in the classroom today.

Bartholemew submitter 1 point 1 month ago

Yeah my mum lived in South Africa during the apartheid and she went to school where kids were beat every day. Even though she said it is not right, she admits that it made everyone better behaved.

Frank_Daly 1 point 1 month ago

I think if it was brought back in it would just turn every kid into a SJW. Also what happens when the kid just doesn't cooperate with the beating. It could be pretty bad for some teachers when they can be overpowered.

tragiktimes101 1 point 1 month ago

We are growing into a nation full of pansies. One in which violence is never deemed the answer, even when in response to violence. The brutal truth is the world is a brutal place. It involves brutal situations. And there is a need to understand how to deal with the inevitable brutality. Our children (given how things are currently going) will not know how to deal with this brutality. Our focus has turned to appeasement, and so will theirs (unfortunately).

Bartholemew submitter 1 point 1 month ago

So many people these days are too politically correct. We need a wake up call.

MichelWeber 1 point 1 month ago

Lawsuits.

The school will need to spend so much $$$$ on defending the teacher.

jaboii 1 point 1 month ago

As a high schooler, I personally would love that idea. Every class I am in has at least 3 spoiled boys in it who seem to have dedicated themselves to slowing down the class. If that was implemented, things would cool down real quick. It would also show everyone who the real tough guys are and not those who try to act like gangsters but have parents who buy them everything.

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Bartholemew submitter 1 point 1 month ago

My grandfather did that once when he got smacked in the head with a ruler. The person however was only about five years older than him and worked as an apprentice. My grandfather had been hit before by this person for no apparent reason, so he grabbed his own ruler and thrust it into his guts. The apprentice bent down with an 'oof', obviously winded. My grandfather wanted further revenge and smacked the guy on the back of the head, as it was now considerably lower, in the same spot in which he had received it. My grandfather said that the guy never bothered him again after that.

Just a little story to put out there. BTW it is real.

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