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New build or upgrade advice - EUR600 budget

palurien

1 month ago

My gaming PC is getting on in age and nowadays struggles even on older games (WoW on med settings; Minecraft with a high view distance).

I’m not sure whether I need to build a new PC or if a simple upgrade or two will fix it – the below are my goals and constraints:

• Intended use: Gaming (purely gaming). I’d like to be able to play existing games at high/max settings, and new AAA titles coming out over the next 3 years on at least med/high settings, before needing to upgrade GPU again. Specific games I want to play are: WoW (max settings), The Outer Worlds, Cyberpunk 2077, Mutant Year Zero: Road to Eden, Hitman 2.

• Country: Denmark (DKR) or Germany (EUR); whichever offers better value-for-money.

• Budget: EUR 600 max (excluding monitor); however value-for-money parts is really important for me. For example: even if my budget would have room for a GPU which is €200 more expensive for 10% increased performance, I would prefer to save the €200 and accept 10% less performance.

• Resolution: 1080p.

• Important preferences: Noise is an important factor to me, so much so that I will pay extra for quiet parts. It’s important that the recommended parts work together to create a quiet machine once done.

• Mandatory upgrades: Case (as I hate my current case; and also to ensure I achieve a quiet build as above). Also SSD (need 500GB SSD).

• OS: Windows 10 64-bit (I already have this, so do not need to buy).

• Peripherals needed: Monitor (outside budget). This is the one part where I’d prefer to spend more for something nicer, as I expect to use it for many years. I’m open to suggestions for your favourite 1080p monitors. My existing monitor is a Samsung Syncmaster P2250(G), and my irritations with it are that: it is too small (21.5”) and it is not height-adjustable. Are curved monitors the way to go?

• Parts that can be re-used: These are the parts in my existing PC. Which are worth re-using (e.g. MOBO/CPU/HDD) and which new components should I get?

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4 GHz Quad-Core Processor -
Motherboard Asus P8Z77-V LK ATX LGA1155 Motherboard -
Memory Corsair XMS3 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR3-1333 Memory €54.99 @ Corsair DE
Storage SanDisk SSD PLUS 120 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive €34.00 @ Amazon Deutschland
Storage Western Digital Caviar Black 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive €144.00 @ Amazon Deutschland
Video Card MSI GeForce GTX 1050 2 GB Video Card -
Power Supply EVGA BR 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply -
Operating System Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit -
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total €232.99
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-10 16:40 CET+0100

EDIT: I should add under "Preferences", that I do NOT want to overclock. So not really interested in unlocked CPUs (unless of course same or lower price as locked).

Thanks a lot for your help and input. I really appreciate it!

Comments

  • 1 month ago
  • 2 points

Personally, I would get a new build. If youre gonna upgrade, you gotta start with the CPU. If you dont upgrade your mobo its gonna be a 3rd gen Intel.. which will be a big bottleneck. This is what I came up with. Its a few dollars over budget, but thats because of the CPU cooler since you wanted it to be a bit quiet.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor $117.68 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler Corsair H60 54 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler $69.99 @ Best Buy
Motherboard ASRock B450M PRO4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard $79.97 @ Amazon
Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory $67.98 @ Amazon
Video Card Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1660 6 GB GAMING OC Video Card $209.99 @ Amazon
Case Cooler Master MasterBox Q300L MicroATX Mini Tower Case $44.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply Rosewill 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply $66.99 @ Newegg
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $657.59
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-10 11:25 EST-0500
  • 1 month ago
  • 2 points

I didnt include storage, since you already have that.

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

Thanks for the suggestions. I'm in Denmark/Germany, so the part prices are higher here, but your list gives me some really useful pointers on what to look out for.

  • 1 month ago
  • 2 points

I just looked at it again.. let's say you re-use the case and PSU. It will give you some more financial room for better parts. You want to max out most AAA games and in the next three years have it at med/high. I would suggest this:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor €125.89 @ Mindfactory
Motherboard ASRock B450M PRO4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard €80.70 @ Mindfactory
Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory €75.06 @ Amazon Deutschland
Video Card MSI GeForce RTX 2060 6 GB GAMING Z Video Card €379.90 @ Alza
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total €661.55
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-10 20:05 CET+0100

It is a little bit over budget, but the other step would be a 1660 ti, which would get you on budget and would also be a solid choice. Your GPU is gonna be the most expensive, maybe look at the second hand market? An AM4 socket gives you a nice upgrade path in future.

  • 1 month ago
  • 2 points

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor €125.89 @ Mindfactory
Motherboard ASRock B450M PRO4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard €80.70 @ Mindfactory
Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory €75.06 @ Amazon Deutschland
Video Card Zotac GeForce GTX 1660 Super 6 GB Twin Fan Video Card €254.10 @ Mindfactory
Power Supply Corsair CXM 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply €64.34 @ Amazon Deutschland
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total €600.09
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-10 20:10 CET+0100

Why go 1660 Ti, when a 1660S is pretty much the same. Also gave you budget for a 550W semi PSU :)

  • 1 month ago
  • 2 points

You can certainly get a good improvement with a GPU upgrade. You might be able to make a 1660 Super work with your existing PSU and if so that might be a good first step. (Or, upgrade the PSU now, as well.) Eventually you'll need to replace more or less the whole thing, and you can carry the 1660 Super forward.

  • 1 month ago
  • 2 points

I don't think you can get what you want for €600 with new parts. For instance:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor €125.89 @ Mindfactory
CPU Cooler CRYORIG M9a 48.4 CFM CPU Cooler €22.90 @ Caseking
Motherboard MSI B450M MORTAR MAX Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard €109.11 @ Amazon Deutschland
Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory €59.90 @ Amazon Deutschland
Storage Silicon Power A55 512 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive €52.46 @ Amazon Deutschland
Storage Western Digital Caviar Black 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive Purchased For €0.00
Video Card Palit GeForce GTX 1660 Super 6 GB StormX Video Card €241.51 @ Mindfactory
Case Deepcool MATREXX 30 MicroATX Mini Tower Case €35.93 @ Amazon Deutschland
Power Supply EVGA BR 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply Purchased For €0.00
Case Fan ARCTIC F12 PWM 53 CFM 120 mm Fan €4.69 @ Aquatuning
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total €652.39
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-10 17:49 CET+0100

The case you really want for a quiet build is a Define Mini C but it's €95. Changing to a 1660 non-Super doesn't help much, nor does backing off the motherboard to say an Asrock B450m Pro4-F although that does save maybe €20 or so and is a plausible change.

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

Thanks a lot for the help and suggestions. I'd be open to going over budget for the Define Mini C if necessary - does the noise difference to the Deepcool Matrexx 30 justify the €60 extra spend, or are they comparable?

I find it hard to tell the performance difference between different CPUs. Would the Ryzen 5 2600 be a big difference from my existing i5-3570k? https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-3570K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-2600/1316vs3955 suggests it's only an 11% improvement in effective speed, but perhaps I am not interpreting the full picture.

The cost difference between replacing CPU+MOBO vs not is quite significant. If it's a bottleneck, I'd consider that justified. But if it's marginal difference it would seem better value-for-money to re-use the existing CPU+MOBO as you suggest, and then I can upgrade in the future when it gets me a more significant improvement.

  • 1 month ago
  • 2 points

Where the Define C would make a big difference would be if the GPU or PSU fans were relatively noisy. The Matrexx is a low budget case with no real noise dampening, but if you put quiet parts into it, it will be OK, and it's not a bad looking case. (The budget case I rather like is the DIYPC F2, but I don't know if you can get one.)

The performance difference from the CPU is hard to judge, and it will depend a lot on whether the game or program being run can take advantage of the extra 2 cores. Single-threaded, the 2600 is faster than the 3570K, but not by a whole lot. I'd guess 10-20% depending on the program.

I think doing a GPU and possibly PSU upgrade now, and carrying that forward, might be the best option if you are a bit cash flow constrained. You might look at a 1660 Super or even a 2060 if you go that direction. Or there's the RX 5700 but there I think you would be prudent to upgrade the PSU as well.

  • 1 month ago
  • 2 points

Here's one more thought for you to consider:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
Video Card Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1660 Super 6 GB GAMING OC Video Card €269.00 @ Caseking
Case Fractal Design Define C ATX Mid Tower Case €86.11 @ Amazon Deutschland
Power Supply BitFenix Whisper M 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply €89.90 @ Amazon Deutschland
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total €445.01
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-11 01:58 CET+0100

Parts picked for performance and quiet. Use the rest of your setup as it is now. (You have room to include a new SSD if you want it.) You'll get a performance improvement, perhaps not to where you want to be but for sure an improvement. You now have time to re-evaluate, save up a little, and decide whether you want to spend €250 for a Ryzen 2600 upgrade, or closer to €350 for a better Ryzen 3600 upgrade, or go with an Intel 9600K/9700K, or what. If you think you might end up with one of the Intel CPU's, you might want to up the PSU to 650 watts, just in case; I don't think there is any need to go higher.

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

Thanks again for the follow-up suggestion and explanation. I'm really grateful for the advice.

I think I'll go with the part-upgrade you suggest for now. My only remaining question is regarding the PSU upgrade. Is this only to achieve noise reduction, or is it also required in terms of wattage output? With the new GPU (GTX 1660S), the estimated wattage shows as 311W here on PCP, whereas my existing PSU is 450W. So unless those estimates are inaccurate, I could hold off on the PSU upgrade until I replace the MOBO+CPU a bit later down the line?

  • 1 month ago
  • 2 points

For the PSU, I was mostly thinking of noise. Also, the BR is a bit of an unknown; I don't think I've ever seen a teardown review of it. 300+ watts shouldn't be too much for it, though, so you could certainly defer the PSU change for a while.

  • 1 month ago
  • 2 points

Or get the CXM I mentioned if you can swing the extra 50, depending on sales.

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