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3600 (x570) rx 5700 vs 3700x (b450) rx 5700 vs 3600 (b450) rx 5700xt

Mr_wang

25 days ago

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I've got three part lists here and wanting to know which would perform better, I do gaming and coding so I would like the extra 2 cores but then again would the 3600 with the rx 5700xt be better or the 3600 with the x570? Also, the b450 and x570 what benefits would an x570 give me over the b450 and would it really benefit me and should i save over £70 to something which would benefit me. Which overall would perform better on everything? (from streaming, coding to 4k gaming) (I would be playing at 1080p)

Extra notes: The price difference of part list 1,2 and 3 would probably make me choose part list 2. Since I'm playing on 1080p high settings do I need an RX 5700XT with the 3600 or should I just get the RX 5700? (I really would like to spend below £1200, my max is £1300)

Part list 1: PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor £174.78 @ Aria PC
Motherboard MSI MPG X570 GAMING EDGE WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard £179.99 @ Amazon UK
Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory £82.91 @ More Computers
Storage Samsung 860 Evo 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive £123.00 @ Amazon UK
Case Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case £81.09 @ CCL Computers
Power Supply SeaSonic FOCUS Plus Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply £97.99 @ Amazon UK
Case Fan Fractal Design GP14-BK 68.4 CFM 140 mm Fan £7.99 @ Amazon UK
Case Fan Fractal Design GP14-BK 68.4 CFM 140 mm Fan £7.99 @ Amazon UK
Monitor MSI Optix MAG241C 23.6" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor £202.00 @ Amazon UK
Custom RX 5700 £278.03
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total £1235.77
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-17 10:14 GMT+0000

Part list 2: PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor £174.78 @ Aria PC
Motherboard MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard £82.80 @ Amazon UK
Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory £82.91 @ More Computers
Storage Samsung 860 Evo 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive £123.00 @ Amazon UK
Case Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case £81.09 @ CCL Computers
Power Supply SeaSonic FOCUS Plus Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply £97.99 @ Amazon UK
Case Fan Fractal Design GP14-BK 68.4 CFM 140 mm Fan £7.99 @ Amazon UK
Case Fan Fractal Design GP14-BK 68.4 CFM 140 mm Fan £7.99 @ Amazon UK
Monitor MSI Optix MAG241C 23.6" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor £202.00 @ Amazon UK
Custom RX 5700XT £329.58
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total £1190.13
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-17 10:11 GMT+0000

Part list 3: PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor £283.98 @ Aria PC
Motherboard MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard £82.80 @ Amazon UK
Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory £82.91 @ More Computers
Storage Samsung 860 Evo 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive £123.00 @ Amazon UK
Case Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case £81.09 @ CCL Computers
Power Supply SeaSonic FOCUS Plus Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply £97.99 @ Amazon UK
Case Fan Fractal Design GP14-BK 68.4 CFM 140 mm Fan £7.99 @ Amazon UK
Case Fan Fractal Design GP14-BK 68.4 CFM 140 mm Fan £7.99 @ Amazon UK
Monitor MSI Optix MAG241C 23.6" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor £202.00 @ Amazon UK
Custom RX 5700 £289.75
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total £1259.50
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-17 10:12 GMT+0000

Comments

  • 25 days ago
  • 2 points

Can't I take you up to your £1300 budget and get this, 3700X + X570 + 5700 XT?

The issue I have with your options are, I don't think it's balanced to spend £175 on the CPU and then £180 on the motherboard, that's just too much on the motherboard. On the other hand, I don't think it's balanced to spend £280 on the CPU and then £80 on the motherboard, that's too little. 3700X with an X570 or 3600 with a B450 MAX (until the B550s come out) is how would approach this, not mix and match.

X570 benefits over the B450, I would put it like this. It's not compulsory, but they're nice to have. Are you likely to upgrade any of the parts in the lifetime of this computer? If you are, the X570 keeps options open for you. One, the X570 TUF I've chosen here has nice VRMs, so if in the future you want to upgrade to a 4950X (or whatever fourth generation's 16 core, 32 thread CPU will be called, since Ryzen 4000 is supposed to be the last generation to work on the AM4 socket) five years from now rather than build a whole new computer, this motherboard will handle it no problem. Will an $80 motherboard do that? I very much doubt it. Two, X570 supports PCIe 4.0, and yes, while it's not utilised now by the GPU, it will in the future. Five years from now, will you be upgrading to a better GPU as you see fit? PCIe 4.0 will undoubtedly be utilised then, do you really want to bottleneck your GPU because you decided to get a B450 which will only handle PCIe 3.0 speeds? Three, X570 has more PCIe lanes, this means you can use two NVMe SSDs at full speed, unlike the B450 which can only handle one NVMe SSD and X470 can only handle one at PCIe 3.0 x4 and one at PCIe 2.0 x4 (half the speed of PCIe 3.0 x4). Not everyone will agree with me in this regard, but this is definitely my take on it.

1080p, high detail, 5700 vs 5700 XT. Do you need it? Ask yourself that. There's only about a 10% difference between the two. When you're gaming, are you bothered by 100 FPS rather 110 FPS? Or 60 FPS rather than 66 FPS? For the most part, it's highly unlikely it's noticeable, and even when it is, it's barely noticeable, but some people do want the most FPS they can get, and both cards do share similar value, so both are good choices regardless of what you pick. Given your budget, I would have no qualms going with the 5700, however a decent 5700 is not that much cheaper from a 5700 XT in the UK.

Here is what I would recommend:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor £298.00 @ Amazon UK
Motherboard Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard £161.21 @ Amazon UK
Memory Patriot Viper 4 Blackout 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory £62.12 @ Amazon UK
Storage Sabrent Rocket 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive £109.99 @ Amazon UK
Video Card MSI Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB MECH OC Video Card £370.99 @ Amazon UK
Case Cooler Master MasterBox MB511 ATX Mid Tower Case £44.95 @ Amazon UK
Power Supply Corsair TXM Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply £69.98 @ Amazon UK
Case Fan Fractal Design GP14-BK 68.4 CFM 140 mm Fan £7.99 @ Amazon UK
Case Fan Fractal Design GP14-BK 68.4 CFM 140 mm Fan £7.99 @ Amazon UK
Monitor MSI Optix MAG241C 23.6" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor £202.00 @ Amazon UK
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total £1335.22
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-17 12:51 GMT+0000
  • 3700X + X570 + 5700 XT.

  • Cheaper and better X570 than what you've chosen. The Gaming Edge is not good.

  • Cheaper RAM, slightly slower speeds. For the most part, 3200 MHz and 3600 MHz isn't a big difference and barely noticeable, it's definitely not worth £20.

  • Cheaper and faster SSD. 860 EVOs are overpriced now and it's a SATA SSD. This Rocket is an NVMe SSD, so it's a lot faster, despite not very noticeable for boot ups and loading games, but it's still cheaper.

  • I don't know what 5700 you have your eyes on for £278, but if it's a blower card, skip it, not worth the heat and noise.

  • Cheaper alternative case for you to consider. Cases are subjective, so I'm only suggesting it for consideration. This is a nice case and has good airflow. It does have an acrylic side panel instead, but the RGB version with a tempered glass side panel costs an extra £45, which if you take off the £15 worth of extra fans, it's still £30 more, so I don't think it's justified really, but it's up to you.

  • Great quality PSU for a cheaper price. Yeah, it's not quite as good as the FOCUS Plus, but it is still good quality, and highly recommended. I'd get this to keep your budget down.

  • Overall, this feels a lot more expensive, but I did choose all my parts with Amazon as the seller. So before commenting it's too expensive, are you really going to buy from the other sellers? I live in the UK myself, and all I can say is, Amazon is the best seller to buy from, least hassle and if there are faults are damages, replacements are easy. It's simply less risk, if not risk free to buy from Amazon. Factor in all that and the fact that your GPU is self-entered and not from an actual seller, this is honestly not that much more expensive.

  • Everything commented is just my opinion.

  • 25 days ago
  • 1 point

Thanks for the comment, just one thing I really like the Meshify c's design so I think I'll go with that unless the case you mentioned has the same features. The powersupply, I did want a reliable strong powersupply. Also, I want to know what's the best m.2 ssd under £110

(the one you mentioned) https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/N7zkcf/sabrent-1-tb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-sb-rocket-1tb

(my one) https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/DgJtt6/western-digital-blue-1tb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-wds100t2b0b

Which one is better value, and better performance?

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor £174.78 @ Aria PC
Motherboard MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard £82.80 @ Amazon UK
Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory £65.58 @ Aria PC
Video Card MSI Radeon RX 5700 8 GB MECH OC Video Card £319.98 @ Box Limited
Case Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case £81.09 @ CCL Computers
Power Supply SeaSonic FOCUS Plus Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply £97.99 @ Amazon UK
Case Fan Fractal Design GP14-BK 68.4 CFM 140 mm Fan £7.99 @ Amazon UK
Case Fan Fractal Design GP14-BK 68.4 CFM 140 mm Fan £7.99 @ Amazon UK
Monitor MSI Optix MAG241C 23.6" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor £202.00 @ Amazon UK
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total £1040.20
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-17 14:42 GMT+0000

Would this perform well, 1080p highest settings 60fps in every (or almost) game? And coding, with InteliJ?

  • 25 days ago
  • 1 point

Although the WD stick you've linked to is good for what it is, it's SATA not NVMe. The Sabrent stick is good stuff and the best value 1TB stick right now.

With prices all over the place at the moment, this is useful to get a handle on general price trends, so you can tell if something really is the bargain it seems to be.

Can't say that I see the value in X570, if you don't have an immediate need for what it offers. The problem with "future proofing", is that tech is getting better and cheaper at a rate of knots. Money I'm spending now, is spent on things I'll use now.

B450 is the "smart choice" for AM4 (apparently) and MSI B450 boards are well regarded, for having the best VRM. They also have a BIOS flash utility, which with the beefy VRM, makes them a good choice if you have an eye on future upgrades.

And the £80-odd you'd save, nearly gets you to 2TB of good NVMe: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/kQZzK8/adata-xpg-sx8200-pro-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-asx8200pnp-2tt-c

  • 25 days ago
  • 2 points

It's not just about future proofing, it's trying to look ahead of what you need.

Suppose you bought a cheap B450, like the DS3H, last year to pair with a 2600, if you want to upgrade to the 3900 today, would you really put it on that same motherboard? Probably not, because the VRM will thermal throttle hard. The same can be said for this. Getting a B450 is enough for the likes of a 3700X, I'm not doubting that, but the B450s are using a 6-phase power delivery, if there was a decision to upgrade to the next generation's 16 core, 32 thread CPU at some point, like a few years down the line, you're probably going to have to replace the motherboard or build a new computer entirely. When that happens, it's even more costly, not to mention, swapping out the motherboard will require a fresh install of Windows 10, so everything needs to be backed up (again, costs money) and it's time consuming to re-install everything, such as games, programs, etc etc. I've made the same point above, and it applies to the GPU, future storage expansion, etc, but I've also made it clear that it's not compulsory, i.e. if there was no intention of upgrading, and when an upgrade is required, it'd be a whole new computer being built, then of course there's no reason to get the X570.

I can't expect everyone to see value like I do, because I am a cheapo, so I look for the most time in something being used rather than immediate need only. It's the very same reason why I'd never buy a 9700K and will always suggest the 9900K over it. The lesson from early 2017 between the 7600K and 7700K already taught us that. The 7600K was enough at the time for AAA gaming, a year down the line and it wasn't quite enough and after two years, it's practically obsolete. The 7700K costs an extra £100, and despite lacking, it's still somewhat relevant today. Doubt me? Try Battlefield V 64 player multiplayer or a similar game on them and you'll feel the difference. I'm not saying to get a 3950X paired with a £300+ motherboard to look into the future, because that's ridiculous and unnecessarily too much, however I do think an extra £80 for a nice X570 over the B450 is worth it to keep the doors open for the future.

Well, again, just my opinion on this matter.

  • 25 days ago
  • 1 point

I'm currently using an i5-3570k: I think we are both "cheapo"! :)

I specifically suggest an MSI B450 board because of the VRM. I don't know about other sizes, but for mITX, Gigabyte VRM are noticeably weak, better suited to APU.

Buying a (MSI) B450 board now, offers benefits now (quality VRM and reduced cost); buying a X570 board now, might offer benefits in the future (if "x" and if "y").

I don't disagree with your reasoning per se, but prefer definite value now, over possible value later.

Both approaches are valid, it's now a problem for the OP to decide which... :)

  • 25 days ago
  • 2 points

I definitely agree with you here. It's value now and value later. Right now, I choose to opt in for a little value later, simply because the way technology has progressed. I think there's a little hesitation from people in this regard because of how things were twenty years ago where things became obsolete as soon as the next generation was released. However, using recency, this is unlikely to be the case again, hence my perspective. Neither is right or wrong, it's just a matter of perspective.

  • 25 days ago
  • 1 point

Thanks for the info, so would you say if I get the sabrent rocket would my build be good for about 3-4 years?

  • 25 days ago
  • 1 point

Who knows? I certainly don't! ¯_(ツ)_/¯

  • 25 days ago
  • 1 point

Cases are subjective, so it was just a recommendation. If you want to know the specific features, you can check the specifications, but generally speaking, they are close and it's still of good quality.

PSU, the TXM is great, don't worry about it. For the price, I'd definitely go with that.

The Rocket I selected is a good NVMe SSD. Alternatives you can consider are the 660p and P1, but the price is too close, so I'd give an edge to the Rocket. If the 660p and P1 is a solid £20+ cheaper, I'd choose either one without second thought, but at £10 different, it's worth spending for the Rocket. The WD Blue you've highlighted is a SATA SSD. M.2 is only an interface, and both the Rocket and the Blue use it, but the Rocket is an NVMe and the Blue is a SATA. NVMe is simply faster is all aspects, so I wouldn't save the £10. Performance and value for the money, I'd have to give it to the Rocket.

You'll get 60 FPS no problem in any game right now and in the next year or two at 1080p, high detail, so don't worry.

  • 25 days ago
  • 1 point

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor £174.78 @ Aria PC
Motherboard MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard £82.80 @ Amazon UK
Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory £65.58 @ Aria PC
Storage Sabrent Rocket 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive £109.99 @ Amazon UK
Video Card MSI Radeon RX 5700 8 GB MECH OC Video Card £319.98 @ Box Limited
Case Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case £81.09 @ CCL Computers
Power Supply SeaSonic FOCUS Plus Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply £97.99 @ Amazon UK
Case Fan Fractal Design GP14-BK 68.4 CFM 140 mm Fan £7.99 @ Amazon UK
Case Fan Fractal Design GP14-BK 68.4 CFM 140 mm Fan £7.99 @ Amazon UK
Monitor MSI Optix MAG241C 23.6" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor £202.00 @ Amazon UK
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total £1150.19
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-17 15:39 GMT+0000

Just looked on amazon (https://www.amazon.co.uk/MSI-RADEON-5700-MECH-DisplayPort/dp/B07W86V757/ref=sr_1_6?keywords=msi+radeon+rx+5700&qid=1574005098&sr=8-6) and it has a one star review about the card failing, don't know if it's true or not.

  • 25 days ago
  • 2 points

I honestly can't say, it's meant to be representative, so I'd look more into it if you're concern. I will say this though, one review, especially a user one, doesn't tell the whole story. No one knows if it was dropped, no one knows if it was a result of extreme overclocking, no one knows if it was damaged in the building process and no one knows if it was just a one-off factory fault card. Or it could just be someone who hates MSI and decided to buy it to return in order to leave the review, and it's actually a lie? Rather than looking at user reviews, look for more comprehensive reviews from a tech reviewer and see if there's a trend. If there are plenty of reports of it having faults, it probably is a design issue (this isn't uncommon really), if not, then it was probably a one-off incident.

  • 25 days ago
  • 1 point

Should I rather go with the sapphire pulse 5700?

  • 25 days ago
  • 1 point

Good choice, that is one of the best for AMD cards.

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  • 24 days ago
  • 1 point

I've never built a pc before, just wondering when I've built it and loaded on the computer, do I download windows 10 on a usb? And what about WiFi, do I need a wifi usb to download to the drivers? Sorry if this sounds like dumb questions.

  • 24 days ago
  • 1 point

It's been a while since I had to install Windows, but using a bootable USB seems to be the common method.

Unless you're using something exotic, the basic wifi driver should be enough for you to connect and d/l the latest drivers.

  • 24 days ago
  • 1 point

so i don't need a wifi usb?

  • 24 days ago
  • 1 point

Ah sorry, I see what you mean.

If the board you end up with doesn't have built-in wifi, then yes you will need a dongle.

  • 24 days ago
  • 1 point

will i have to the wifi usb all the time or only when going to download the drivers?

  • 23 days ago
  • 1 point

How does your current computer connect to the internet?

If it uses a cable, then you can do the same with your new machine.

If it uses wifi, then you either need a motherboard with built-in wifi, or a USB dongle.

Whichever method you use, the basic Windows drivers will be enough for you to connect to the internet and update your drivers.

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