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Blog Post "Fractal Design Define C TG / MSI X399 Gaming Pro Carbon Live Build"

BoyScout staff submitter 19 Builds 2 points 1 day ago

No worries -- sorry I missed your question when you first posted it. Hope my answer was helpful!

Blog Post "X399 Build - ASUS ROG ZENITH EXTREME / Threadripper 1950X "

BoyScout staff submitter 19 Builds 1 point 2 days ago

I checked with Anidees and it sounds like they expect more retail availability over the next couple weeks (late September / early October).

BoyScout's Completed Build: ASUS ROG ZENITH EXTREME X399 Build

BoyScout staff submitter 19 Builds 1 point 2 days ago

I tested it this afternoon to make sure, but yes -- everything fit. We didn't add it to avoid impeding the air flow between the GPUs, but everything seemed fine.

BoyScout's Completed Build: ASUS ROG ZENITH EXTREME X399 Build

BoyScout staff submitter 19 Builds 1 point 2 days ago

Good question. We may have to see if we can test that as well sometime. Good luck with your build!

BoyScout's Completed Build: ASUS ROG ZENITH EXTREME X399 Build

BoyScout staff submitter 19 Builds 1 point 2 days ago

If you're still looking, I checked with Anidees and it sounds like they are expecting more availability in the coming weeks (late Sept/early October), so keep an eye out.

Blog Post "Fractal Design Define C TG / MSI X399 Gaming Pro Carbon Live Build"

BoyScout staff submitter 19 Builds 2 points 2 days ago

It'd be tough to call the 1080 Ti a bottleneck, as it's one of the most powerful GPU's currently available in the consumer space. While, technically speaking, it will be the limiting factor for gaming performance, that "limit" will generally be 4K/60+FPS gaming under max settings ... if the benchmarks hold with similar systems we've tested in the past.

As much as many a gamer might dream of it, a high core count system like this isn't typically looked at solely for gaming. If you only wanted a gaming PC, you could get similar performance (at least with most games) for a lot less.

So while it will certainly operate with ease under modern gaming scenarios, Ryzen Threadripper CPU's are primarily targeted at high end creative applications (3D modeling/video rendering/editing) or any other intensive processing applications that leverage the high core count (often along with lots of memory) more effectively than their lower core-count cousins (such as the Ryzen 3/5/7 processors) could do.

Anyway, be sure to check back later -- we'll be posting a Completed Build with some benchmarks that can offer more details on how the ultimately system performs past the one 3DMark result we had time to run during the live stream.

Blog Post "Fractal Design Define C TG / MSI X399 Gaming Pro Carbon Live Build"

BoyScout staff submitter 19 Builds 1 point 3 days ago

Yep, no argument.. We kept it a bit simpler to help the live stream go faster, but a large secondary storage drive (or two) would certainly be welcome for this creator-oriented build.

BoyScout's Completed Build: ASUS ROG ZENITH EXTREME X399 Build

BoyScout staff submitter 19 Builds 1 point 3 days ago

It depends a good bit on the specifics of the card as well as the airflow provided by the case/case fans. Glancing back over our past 1080 Ti builds, it's varied from ~30-50C at idle.

That said, we tested this build in an open case setup before building it out and check back to my notes under that situation (open air) the GPU's idled around 42/47C, so there's something to be said for getting more air moving across the system, especially with dual cards building up their heat together. The idle/load testing was done with the front case fans on their default (quieter) setting, so it might have performed closer to the open test had we cranked them higher.

BoyScout's Completed Build: ASUS ROG ZENITH EXTREME X399 Build

BoyScout staff submitter 19 Builds 1 point 3 days ago

Exactly. What hope is left? :)

Thanks & glad you enjoyed it!

BoyScout's Completed Build: ASUS ROG ZENITH EXTREME X399 Build

BoyScout staff submitter 19 Builds 1 point 3 days ago

We actually did run some video encoding tests on it before taking it apart, but I got busy with the livestream today -- I'll try to get those added tomorrow and let you know

BoyScout's Completed Build: ASUS ROG ZENITH EXTREME X399 Build

BoyScout staff submitter 19 Builds 2 points 5 days ago

We haven't defined a benchmark for The Witcher 3 yet, but a bit of quick test playing (the first couple areas when you head outside to start training) at 4K/Ultra/FullScreen saw an average of 84 fps. Minimum I saw during the gameplay was ~75fps and as you moved around quite often saw peaks around 100 fps.

BoyScout's Completed Build: ASUS ROG ZENITH EXTREME X399 Build

BoyScout staff submitter 19 Builds 1 point 5 days ago

Definitely a cool case. Anidees provided it for us to use in this build. Not sure why the availability has tightened up at the moment, but we've seen it on both Amazon and Newegg.

BoyScout's Completed Build: Cooler Master MasterCase Maker 5t Build

BoyScout staff submitter 19 Builds 1 point 5 days ago

You can get the non-elite version if it's not available. (it's the gray/silver version). The front side of the card isn't highly visible and would still look sharp reflecting the red LED bar. That said, if you want the card to actually be red, a quick edit of the part list ans GPU search filtered by red options that might complement the build came up with two more options you might take a look at.

BoyScout's Completed Build: ASUS ROG ZENITH EXTREME X399 Build

BoyScout staff submitter 19 Builds 3 points 7 days ago

Glad you enjoyed it. We greatly appreciate our partners (such as ASUS and Anidees with this build), who help us bring fun builds like this to life. We definitely appreciate their support!

BoyScout's Completed Build: ASUS ROG ZENITH EXTREME X399 Build

BoyScout staff submitter 19 Builds 2 points 7 days ago

Thanks! And monster is about right. It gobbled up every benchmark we placed in front of it.

BoyScout's Completed Build: ASUS ROG ZENITH EXTREME X399 Build

BoyScout staff submitter 19 Builds 1 point 7 days ago

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed checking it out.

BoyScout's Completed Build: ASUS ROG ZENITH EXTREME X399 Build

BoyScout staff submitter 19 Builds 1 point 7 days ago

It's nice and cozy inside that front chamber.

Blog Post "X399 Build - ASUS ROG ZENITH EXTREME / Threadripper 1950X "

BoyScout staff submitter 19 Builds 2 points 7 days ago

Hmm. Newegg had this version previously, but looks like it's run out of stock. It looks like Amazon has the non-RGB editions in both Black and White, but then you'd need to add your own RGB fan solution. Thanks for pointing it out -- I'll reach out to Anidees and see when we might expect to see more availability.

Blog Post "X399 Build - ASUS ROG ZENITH EXTREME / Threadripper 1950X "

BoyScout staff submitter 19 Builds 1 point 7 days ago

Sure thing -- check out our Completed Build for some benchmarks.

Blog Post "Fractal Design Focus G Live Build"

BoyScout staff submitter 19 Builds 2 points 7 days ago

It looks like the front fans on the Focus G are attached to machined holes, but the rear fan mount is designed for a more typical self-tapping fan screws. If you were to buy an additional fan for mounting at the rear of the case, it would typically come with these (or a similar vibration-reducing alternative) for mounting.

A quick search of online stores mostly found 30 or 50 packs of these screws for $5-8. You might check if you can find a smaller quantity pack (since you only need 4) or something at a local electronics or hardware store, because at $5 you might consider just spending that same money (or slightly more) to get a third fan for back there.

BoyScout's Completed Build: ASUS ROG ZENITH EXTREME X399 Build

BoyScout staff submitter 19 Builds 1 point 8 days ago

No, these results are at stock settings. The 1950X boosts to 4GHz/4.2GHz. The boost speeds we typically saw across most cores was 4.115GHz.

BoyScout's Completed Build: ASUS ROG ZENITH EXTREME X399 Build

BoyScout staff submitter 19 Builds 2 points 8 days ago

Thanks!

(and we're looking forward to checking it out as well!)

BoyScout's Completed Build: ASUS ROG ZENITH EXTREME X399 Build

BoyScout staff submitter 19 Builds 1 point 8 days ago

Thanks!

BoyScout's Completed Build: ASUS ROG ZENITH EXTREME X399 Build

BoyScout staff submitter 19 Builds 5 points 8 days ago

Now that you have been empowered with such knowledge, use it wisely. ;)

BoyScout's Completed Build: ASUS ROG ZENITH EXTREME X399 Build

BoyScout staff submitter 19 Builds 1 point 8 days ago

Ha! Glad you like the format (and the build). Thanks for the feedback!

BoyScout's Completed Build: ASUS ROG ZENITH EXTREME X399 Build

BoyScout staff submitter 19 Builds 2 points 8 days ago

Glad you enjoyed it. We probably won't be able to run too many more benchmarks on this specific setup as the CPU will need to be returned, but what other benchmarks would you like to see?

BoyScout's Completed Build: ASUS ROG ZENITH EXTREME X399 Build

BoyScout staff submitter 19 Builds 3 points 8 days ago

One of these days.. :)

BoyScout's Completed Build: ASUS ROG ZENITH EXTREME X399 Build

BoyScout staff submitter 19 Builds 2 points 8 days ago

Fear not, there are dust filters on the side, top and bottom intake areas.

BoyScout's Completed Build: $1600 "Enthusiast Ryzen Gaming" Build (April 2017 Featured Guide)

BoyScout staff submitter 19 Builds 1 point 8 days ago

Yes, but note that there are two versions of the 1800X available. You'd need to get the version that includes a CPU cooler or add an aftermarket cooler.

Forum Topic "[Addition] Bitdefender Total Security 2018"

BoyScout staff 19 Builds 1 point 9 days ago

Added along with a few other variants.

BoyScout's Completed Build: Fractal Design Meshify C Build

BoyScout staff submitter 19 Builds 1 point 12 days ago

A 200mm PSU might not work out. Fractal puts the 175mm upper limit in their spec sheet, and they note where removing the cage changes other specs, such as for the front radiator options.

Taking a look inside the case, there's a bump above the bottom side pull out vent that you'd end up running into. Difficult to tell for sure by only looking at it, but it looks a bit higher than the "feet" that the PSU sits on, meaning it would probably not allow the PSU to mount straight into that space (if it fit at all).

BoyScout's Completed Build: Fractal Design Meshify C Build

BoyScout staff submitter 19 Builds 1 point 12 days ago

Ah, nice -- I bet those fans do look great through the mesh. Do you have a picture or posted a completed build? Would love to see how yours turned out.

BoyScout's Completed Build: Fractal Design Meshify C Build

BoyScout staff submitter 19 Builds 1 point 15 days ago

Sounds like a fun upgrade plan! I honestly don't know off hand for sure, as I don't have a similar GPU setup on hand to test in the case, but what you're proposing seems reasonable. The 120mm EVGA radiator is listed at 119mm wide and there's 125mm of clearance. It doesn't look like you'd have an issue on height either.

Also, according to the case specs, it looks like you're fine mounting a 240mm radiator up top instead of the front so long as the motherboard components don't exceed 40mm in height, so just keep an eye on the top edge of the motherboard when making your selection. That's not something we would currently catch as an issue given a 240mm radiator can be placed without similar restrictions at the front of the case. Did you have a motherboard in mind?

BoyScout's Completed Build: ASRock Z270 SuperCarrier Build

BoyScout staff submitter 19 Builds 1 point 16 days ago

The nVidia cards we used were founders editions available only through nVidia directly. You can certainly swap them out for something else. One thing to consider is these use a reference cooling design which pushes the air out the back of the case, whereas most non-reference coolers (like the FTW cards) will push air out all sides of the card. It should be fine with those 3 fans pushing air across the system, but it will likely have a different temperature profile (the extra heat from the higher clocked cards will impact that as well).

You can edit this build to play with changes to verify if there are any compatibility issues. It looks like the 1080 FTW is fine. The main thing to watch for when swapping GPU's will probably be the card length. Our compatibility engine should catch any issues like that.

The spacing issue is going to happen with any GPU paired with this motherboard and case. The motherboard has a plastic cover over the sound card area (right below where the GPU mounts at the back of the case). In most cases, this wouldn't be an issue, but the version of the Anidees AI Crystal we had didn't give you much room to work with for the PCIe slot bracket to fit. It's definitely a notable quirk of this case which will only happen with certain motherboards. That said, with a bit of careful alignment and "gentle" pressure, it's not a huge deal.

We've not tested that specifically, but I wouldn't expect any significant difference between the bridges, so long as they are the High Bandwidth ("HB") versions. Our decision was purely based on aesthetics and what we could get in time for this build. We loved how the Zotac one looked, and since we had vendor neutral nVidia cards we weren't looking to make it "match" anything else. We've used the EVGA ones in the past as well and I think it would look nice as well with this motherboard.

BoyScout's Completed Build: Fractal Design Meshify C Build

BoyScout staff submitter 19 Builds 1 point 16 days ago

So it's been a while since you asked, but I thought I'd follow up as Barry took our Meshify C build to QuakeCon at the end of August and decided to add RGB lighting to the system for full effect.

He ended up tossing in a Hue+ (since he wanted to use CAM to control the H7 Quad Lumi's lighting as well) and routed the lighting to the front of the case. (You could also use the motherboard's on-board AURA RGB header with a compatible LED strip.)

Anyway, it actually came out pretty slick -- highlighting the mesh pattern rather dramatically. I've added a picture to the end of the current images to show you how it ended up looking.

Blog Post "BitFenix Nova TG / Ryzen 3 Build"

BoyScout staff submitter 19 Builds 2 points 17 days ago

We're working on it. :)

BoyScout's Completed Build: Fractal Design Focus G Build

BoyScout staff submitter 19 Builds 2 points 18 days ago

Thanks -- glad you enjoyed it.

The case has a removable dust filter on the bottom as well as two (screw mounted) dust filters on the top. The front has a filter as well, but I believe you have to pop off the entire front panel to clean it.

BoyScout's Completed Build: BitFenix Nova TG Build

BoyScout staff submitter 19 Builds 2 points 22 days ago

Not from our experience. We've used this model in a few builds now and have never noticed any particularly loud sound level.

Blog Post "Fractal Design Meshify C Build"

BoyScout staff submitter 19 Builds 1 point 1 month ago

It looks like it's currently out of stock, but we picked it up from Newegg.

Blog Post "$1250 AMD Ryzen 5 1600 / GeForce GTX 1080 Build"

BoyScout staff submitter 19 Builds 1 point 1 month ago

We certainly try to route them in reasonable locations as we go, so that it looks okay from the front and (hopefully) we don't have to unplug/move/re-plug in too many things after the test boot.. That said, Barry would probably take issue with the notion that things looked great before we let him attack the nest of craziness hidden at the back of the case. ;)

Blog Post "BitFenix Nova TG / Ryzen 3 Build"

BoyScout staff submitter 19 Builds 1 point 1 month ago

So an SSD is certainly helpful to system performance (generally snappiness, and of particular practicality, multiplayer level loading). But you might want to take things down a notch here -- some folks would never build without one, while others get along fine without it. That's okay.

To give you insight on our part selection, we simply chose to keep the budget down a bit by leaving out an SSD. We haven't needed to do that in a budget build in a while, but RAM/GPU and SSD prices in general right now pushed us in that direction as we played with this part list. We recognize others might want to choose differently, but we like to offer a variety of builds to show how they perform. And in the end, we were still quite happy with the system's overall performance.

BoyScout's Completed Build: BitFenix Nova TG Build

BoyScout staff submitter 19 Builds 2 points 1 month ago

You can watch the cable management video to see what Barry did with it. Overall, it only offers rather basic options to work with. Most notable is that there's not a lot of tie down points in the back, so you're left to mostly secure the cables to themselves. That said, since the Nova TG's back panel is punched out, giving pretty ample space, it worked fine, even with our thick 24 pin PSU cable. So, while it's doesn't really offer great cable management options, it was relatively easy to deal with.

BoyScout's Completed Build: ASUS PRIME X370-PRO / Radeon RX 580 Gaming PC

BoyScout staff submitter 19 Builds 1 point 1 month ago

Sorry -- completely missed your question, but also not sure what you are asking. The fans are oriented to intake fresh air from the top of the case and push it across the radiator into the case interior.

BoyScout's Completed Build: ASUS PRIME X370-PRO / Radeon RX 580 Gaming PC

BoyScout staff submitter 19 Builds 1 point 1 month ago

The main advice would be to make sure you are running the latest BIOS. We saw a lot of issues in the early months of Ryzen motherboards, but our more recent builds we've done haven't had any issue getting to 3000 MHz if the BIOS is current.

BoyScout's Completed Build: BitFenix Nova TG Build

BoyScout staff submitter 19 Builds 2 points 1 month ago

Necessity is a pretty strong word. While you don't have to argue the benefits of the OS and multiplayer games with large level loads being installed onto an SSD, it's not preferable to having sufficient space for your build's needs. Especially since SSDs/HDDs are about the simplest of "do it later"/additive upgrades you can plan when budget dollars are strained.

So if you can get away with holding off on the HDD until later and manage with a small SSD for now, then great. Otherwise, I'd recommend having the sufficiently sized HDD and adding an SSD later.

BoyScout's Completed Build: BitFenix Nova TG Build

BoyScout staff submitter 19 Builds 3 points 1 month ago

Thanks for the complement -- glad you enjoyed the results!

BoyScout's Completed Build: BitFenix Nova TG Build

BoyScout staff submitter 19 Builds 1 point 1 month ago

Storage can be a pretty personal choice which changes based on needs, so if a small SSD works well enough instead of getting a larger HDD, then I wouldn't argue. It's also an easy upgrade down the road (either way).

BoyScout's Completed Build: MSI X299 Gaming Pro Carbon AC / Intel i7-7800X Build

BoyScout staff submitter 19 Builds 1 point 1 month ago

We didn't have any issues. What kind of trouble do you mean?

Blog Post "BitFenix Nova TG / Ryzen 3 Build"

BoyScout staff submitter 19 Builds 2 points 1 month ago

Sorry about that -- they've been posted now.

BoyScout's Completed Build: Fractal Design Meshify C Build

BoyScout staff submitter 19 Builds 1 point 1 month ago

Yeah, the WINDFORCE OC version has a solid side logo, so no LED. I believe the G1 Gaming version has an RGB LED, which we also considered for this build but weren't able to get it at the time.

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