Uhh, guys, look at the pictures, lol. With no fans on that side of the motherboard tray, he's better off using the cutout Anidees put in the motherboard tray. When that side panel is on he'll have less room against the glass panel on the backside. Even if he had fans on that side, from the back it looks like there's barely any room for it to breathe anyways.
MSI does not have offset voltage in their BIOS. This is one of the biggest criticisms Buildzoid has about MSI, otherwise, the M7 is a fantastic board, i've got one too. Though using first gen Ryzen, I have no PBO.
1.5v is quite high, but is fine if it goes there for short bursts. Ryzen first gen goes to 1.55v for the second or two some cores reach XFR boost, and AMD has said this is fine, and by design it doesn't stay that high for constant voltage. I personally, from what I have seen from browsing online for a little while, wouldn't go past 1.37v for a 24/7 overclock, but AMD has never officially laid out "safe" voltage levels for zen+ like they did for first gen, I suspect this might be because of how PBO works. But, Childless_Father from r/AMD did mention he has had two first gen Ryzen 3's show signs of degredation after two months running at 1.4v with a 24/7 overclock.
Messing around with offset voltage indeed does take away some of the appeal for the set and forget PBO offers, true, but for those concerned about degradation, it's a concern. Zen is also quite temperature sensitive. Add to this, it's common knowledge software will near always push more voltage than is necessary to compensate for silicone lottery.
Great deals, good parts choice, clean build. Take my upvote :)
Personally I opted to leave the case and internal lights separate. The case lights can only do the 7 colors and 2 effects you can change with the button on the front. I might be wrong, but I'm reasonably certain.
As the rest of the lights, it's hit or miss as far as linking them goes. Gigabyte's RGB Fusion continues to be pure cancer even after the one update it has had since I got the Gaming K7 around October of last year. But at least it doesn't instantly crash anymore. It still crashes when I save a profile (it does still save it though), and trying to adjust the memory's LED's also resulted in a crash.
That said, as always, you're limited to the software the manufacturer uses. I've since gotten the upgrades mentioned in this build's description, and went from the H7 Quad Lumi to the Cryorig R1 Universal, and now i'm using the Corsair H115i Pro. I haven't had any problem with Corsair's LINK software, so it's been seamless. It's just a matter of matching the RGB numbers in the software.
I've never used RGB fans, since i'm a sucker for Be Quiet! and the ML fans included with the H115i Pro have been fantastic. I think if they came with some kind of hub to control the RGB that would be the ideal solution, but I don't know how RGB fans actually work, so I wouldn't be able to say. Something like the NZXT's Hue+.
I've thought about updating this build page, but I don't think it's really worth it considering the attention it gets, and I'm not on PCPP much anymore, considering my 19 day reply time. lmao.
No, I didn't bother with trying to connect the two. The integrated hub in the case can be connected to the motherboard to synchronize internal and external LED's. The manual has a section dedicated to "HANDLING OF THE LED ILLUMINATION." How German.
I didn't bother because I don't mind manually changing colors, and with the pure cancerous experience I have with RGB Fusion, i'm not convinced I'm going to ever bother with connecting them.
Thanks, Dave :) I've since moved it into a Dark Base 700, which is also in my completed builds.
I agree, but a review should be harsh. It's a review, not an advertisement. Thanks for checking it out :)
I learned while moving my stuff into this case that the Aorus X370 Gaming 7 does not have a header for type C gen 2, sadly :(
Sorry, rambling on is a bit of a habit of mine. But not a problem, thank you for checking my build out :)
Aye, I got mine earlier in the year when they were on sale for $269. It was $10 cheaper than I bought my R9 390 for at the time. It definitely wasn't a night and day difference, but it does everything I want it to. It's currently paired with a $279 144 Hz 1440p Freesync panel I got for black friday, and if my current experience is anything to go by, I won't be upgrading for at least another year, maybe two but that's stretching I think.
Also, something audio related I forgot about, this board has two amps, one for the rear audio and a second for the front audio. I don't use the front audio port however, so I can't speak for any effect it has.
The ASUS only has one amp.
Thanks for checking it out! :)
Whether getting it is okay or not is up to you, man :P
You pay $180 for a metric ton of options, build quality, and ease to build in. GN came to the conclusion it's temps are pretty average. It won't thermal throttle until you turn the fans down under load. The CPU temps in the stock configuration aren't anything to brag about, but lone intake fan is pointed at the GPU, and it's obvious where the air is going. I have yet to see over the high 50's while gaming with the "silent 3" fan setting on the GPU, while the highest temperature I have noticed on the CPU side was 67C. I am keeping the CPU at stock settings and letting it clock as it wishes, and it still does XFR boost to 4.1 Ghz at times. This may be aleiviated by adding a fan to the front, which I have not done yet, though the fans are on the way. I bought two more 140mm Silent Wings PWM with the intention of adding one to the front intake and one above the cooler for exhaust.
It isn't the quietest case on the market either, but it's far from the loudest, plus you can tweak it with the fan controller. If i'm gaming, which I primarily do with this build, the sound doesn't really matter since I wear headphones. But if i'm just doing general internet browsing I turn it to "silent 1," and it is completely silent.
I think the most decisive thing about this case is the price tag. It's high. That's nothing new for Be Quiet!. That value can be a relatively subjective thing depending on your financial situation. Just getting another fan to match the others for a front intake adds another $20, so by that point, is $200 worth it to you. From my personal experience it's more than worth it. The experience building in it was effortless. Everything is well thought out and where it ought to be, and the cable management is vastly improved over the previous cases I have used. Those would be the Silent Base 800, Phanteks P400TG, and the Aerocool P7-C1.
I don't think it's as bad as gamers nexus made it out to be, and they never even said it was a bad case to begin with.
I use it primarily for gaming
I don't notice much difference in audio quality between motherboards to be honest. The big difference would be if you're using an external dac. Otherwise, they're all pretty similar.
If you're choosing between boards though, I suppose I could give some of my experience with this thing :p The first board I got was dead. I would press the power button on the motherboard and nothing would happen. The button's LED was on, but no power to anywhere else, no fans or anything. I RMA'd it for another one, which worked perfectly. I did some more research on it after my replacement arrived and found a video about mounting the cooler caused the board to sligtly flex in a way it didn't like. After adjusting their cooler they got theirs to work.
As for now, board itself has been great, everything is where I would expect it to be. A concern may be with the USB headers however. As far as I am aware, most boards have 3 USB headers, and one USB3. This board sacrifices a USB for another USB3. My build in the P7-C1 had an issue with this, since the IO on that required 2 USB headers for the card reader, and my Quad Lumi needs a USB for the lights. I had to buy an adapter to make use of the second USB3 header to convert it to USB.
The second problem I have had with the board is more to do with the software, namely RGB Fusion. It's buggier than Virginia in August. Changing colors required a system restart to take effect, the brightness slider does nothing, and attempting to adjust the LED's on the memory caused an instant crash in the software. Rolling back to the older F4 BIOS fixed the system restart requirement, and I use Corsair Link to adjust the Memory. I have heard good things about ASUS's Aura or whatever they call it, and nearly everything supports it.
I'm sorry, but that review wasn't an opinion. The numerous cons Steve laid out in that video were facts about a poorly designed case from a company that should know better than "RGB and tempered glass make a case excellent," a trend that has been going on for years, yet people seem to find perfectly acceptable. The temperatures in this thing are a legitimate concern, especially with Pascal being as temperature sensitive as it is.
But as others have said, it isn't PCPP's job to review the case. That just sort of comes naturally when they build in it, dealing with the ease to build inside of it. I think what it really comes down to is giving attention to a case that heavily sacrifices function for form, and therefore isn't deserving of attention.
I found myself wondering about the same comparison yesterday. The Fury is going for $259 during Newegg's Black Friday sale. Last I checked, 580's are going for $279 to $330ish for the 8GB version. So a little cheaper, the Fury has a little more raw grunt with the 1st Gen HBM, memory bandwith will never be an issue. What will be an issue is the hard cap of 4GB of Vram. It's almost never been a problem for me, and obviously hadn't handicapped my 1080 results I mentioned, enough I'll be picking up a 1440p monitor through Black Friday sales.
That being said, check out performance reviews of Wolfenstein 2. 4GB cards tank hard in that title, both the Fury and Fury X being handily beaten by the RX 570, R9 390X, RX 470, and the GTX 1060, all cards that are normally worse than the Fury, sometimes by reasonably large margins. Even the GTX 980 is ahead, which is odd, considering the Fury normally has it beat more often than not. I wouldn't consider this a sign to come in future games, however. As previously stated, cards that are normally much slower than the Fury are ahead of it, by large margins, leading me to believe it's something driver related.
But that still leads to the point. Compared to the 580, the Fury is a little cheaper, much more power hungry (overclocking i've gone almost to 400 watts, though imo nobody should overclock the fury, better gains come from undervolting), but has a little more performance. This comes with the achilles heel of power consumption, the limit of 4GB VRAM, and frankly, the huge size of this cooler. Though that huge cooler does actually put in alot of work. Combined with the undervolt I rarely go above the low 60's while gaming, even for extended periods.
It's a bit of a toss-up, I say for the $260 price. You are also getting newer tech with the 580. Now if it's $200ish used pricing you're looking at, I think it's a fantastic card for the money. But the next step up in performance is the GTX 1070, but that's still going for $430ish for a decent aftermarket cooler, a full $170 more than the Fury, and not worth paying for, since performance isn't leaps and bounds ahead. I think the best upgrade from the Fury at this point is either the 1070ti or the 1080.
I'm just terrible with names, so I just wanted to name it after what I was listening to. lol. Cheers, mate!
Hell Yeah! :D Gojira is the first band I ever bought apparel for, and convinced me to buy CD's for the first time in a decade. The Way of All Flesh is my favorite. :) Thanks for dropping by, man!
Apologies for the delayed reply. Morning errand running, second shift work, and of course, taking the time to test games. I went through a few I have downloaded right now. All were run at 1080p max detail, unless I otherwise say so.
Battlefield 1 was tested in a 64 player match on Argonne Forest Conquest and averaged around 100 FPS.
Titanfall 2 was tested during the "Trial By Fire" story mission. For the most part it sat around 80 to 85 FPS, dipping down to the mid 70's and going as high as 130's.
DiRT 4 was set to ultra detail preset, though I turned advanced blending off due to the huge performance penalty from using it. It was tested on a mid-length generated track in Spain. It mostly sat around 90FPS.
Dark Souls 3 was locked at 60FPS. Only had split second drops to 59 otherwise.
Rainbow 6 siege was tested in two multiplayer rounds, between them averaging just above 100FPS.
Depends on the game :)
Acoustics are also very subjective, and it also depends on the case too. I use a 750 watt EVGA G2L. I first had it in a Silent Base 800, and it was dead silent, even with the significantly quieter fans I had back then in the system. Currently it's in a Phanteks P400, and while general internet browsing, It does become distracting, despite the much louder fans I have now.
That looks sick, and great choices on components. I love the combination of white and purple.
I have no clue about that first slot's clearance since I have never used it, so this is just off my judgement, so take with a grain of salt.
I see what you mean about the perspective, the camera isn't lined up with that first DIMM slot and makes it difficult to tell. I don't know the height of that Vengeance RAM or how much space is between the socket and DIMM slots on your K7, but I assume they should be virtually identical.
But judging on my Ripjaws, I could, I think, but it would be a ridiculously tight fit, probably a millimeter or less space between the heat pipe and the RAM's heat spreader. Whether it's worth the risk for you is up to you, since I haven't personally seen any Vengeance to compare with my Ripjaws.
Another thing to mind is the DRP3 most likely won't come with AM4 mounting hardware in the box, since it's been around for a good while. You would need to go to Be Quiet!'s website and request it. It only took a couple of minutes for me and it shipped from Germany to arrive at my door in the US about a week to a week and a half later, free of any charges.
I leave the option open. If I don't get Vega it will be because I don't have the cash. Good price/performance doesn't mean anything if the price isn't affordable. So, I lean towards not initially, but everything depends on pricing. For me to happily upgrade though, I will be looking for something similar or just below the GTX 1080. As of now though, the 4 GB limit of the Fury's VRAM is starting to show some cracks. It is used to the max in Dirt 4.
It's sagging a little. It did the second I put it in the rig. :p I thought my old powercoler r9 390 was huge, but this Fury is bigger than it in every dimension. Thanks. :)
HWInfo says mid to high 20's, but AMD's way of checking temps is notoriously unreliable at lower temperatures. There is no actual temp probe in the CPU, rather, it's an algorithm done using the socket temperature.
DRP3 is love, DRP3 is life.
I'm just happy the AM3+ mounting process is stupidly simple compared to Intel mounting. I'm not sure if I'd feel comfortable moving this somewhere in a car or something. That cooler weighs just a tad over two pounds.
Thanks, man :)
Heh. It sticks to steel pretty well though. I had to use a knife to pry it off of that, but it barely sticks to the plastic of that fan hub. What's the point of including those Velcro pads if it won't stick to the product it's meant to go with? I had it stuck under the 5.25" bays before, and it only stayed there for a couple weeks before it just fell and I let it hang there.
Yeah, I wasn't expecting such a difference. I was just running out of the DC1 and wanted to get something other than Arctic Silver. I'm a hipster that way. I heard good things about Kryonaut on overclocking forums so I got that. My testing method with that was 10 minutes of Prime95 small FFT with the 4.4 Ghz overclock. Not only was the Kryonaut 7C lower, it took almost 7 minutes to reach that temperature "plateau" so to speak, compared to a little more than 3 minutes to reach max temp for that DC1 paste.
How much room does the Memory have underneath that DRP3? It's got to be shaving hairs! ( I'm at this build because I bought the Ripjaws too and want to be sure it'll fit under my DRP3. lol)
What's better than a Dark Rock Pro 3? A Dark Rock Pro 3 with THREE fans! Awesome build, mate. I'm in a similar position with my FX-8320, but waiting on tax returns. Might as well wait for Zen, too. I still don't understand why they renamed it Ryzen.
Yeah, i've been debating whether I should update this or not, it's been around for a while. I've since gotten Sapphire's Fury and upped the power supply to a 750watt EVGA G2L as well, since nobody I watched reviews for could seem to agree on its power draw. It's been serving me perfectly the vast majority of the time. Once and a while the CPU rears its ugly head but that's only for a short period. Most of the games I play are either indie games that run on potatoes or are more GPU intensive. Except Fallout 4. Screw Boston.
Sorry, man. I changed it a while ago and don't have a link nor the file anymore. If memory serves me right, I got it from imgur but people upload wallpaper dumps there all the time. Finding it would be a needle in a haystack by now, Sorry
Yeah, it's a hard lesson, that patience. I've seen those full size R9 Fury's going for $310 on amazon recently. I would hands down buy that instead of my 390. But then again, I'd be out of a decent computer for 5 extra months. :/
Thanks, man! Still kicking some arse :)
Those are some sweet deals you got on your parts, and some better modding to go with it!
Thank you, Dwarkas!
I had the same problem with reviews. The only two reasons I really had when I bought this monitor was because it is freesync and it was relatively cheap. Please do bear in mind I have never had another monitor before. (This is my first build too, after all >.<)
I mainly play Witcher 3, World of Tanks, GTA V, and Ashes of The Singularity and it has been pretty nice. However I do get a bit of screen tearing if my frame rate is below a certain point (I think below 40ish but I haven't been able to really find a certain point where it starts. Also in games, there is a noticeable amount of light bleed along the sides but not enough for me to say it is distracting. I play with Freesync enabled at all times. Lately I have been playing lots of GTA V on the account it is so good for finding unstable overclocks since I've learned a bit more about overclocking and hit 4.4 Ghz and when the game is above about 48 fps, it is stupidly smooth. Also, I pretty often use the speakers in it and they aren't bad, but speakers are hardly what we buy a monitor for! ;P
And a last point, if I direct my ear to it I can hear it working. It's inaudible otherwise but if the rest of my room is quiet without my fan running, air conditioning, and my door and window are closed that's the only time I can hear it.
All in all, I'm happy with it. Yeah, it has some problems, but it is (or was when I bought it) a fairly cheap monitor. I think I would feel comfortable recommending it.
Any other questions you might have, shoot away! I'm happy to be of help.
Thanks, link if you'd like to get one: http://www.designtoscano.com/product/stryker+the+smoking+dragon+sculptural+incense+box+-+cl5678.do?sortby=bestSellers&refType=&from=fn
Nice little incense burner I say. Though i'd prefer to use sticks with a wooden piece at the end. That's what I used at the time, but now I have some Morning Star stuff that doesn't have a stick at the end, just burns all the way down. It sort of gums up the hole that they stick into. This stuff also doesn't release as much smoke, so eh. It was cool watching it just roll out of the teeth and pool next to the dragon, like a puddle of drool.
Man, never trust those people working at stores. A friend of mine worked at an O'Reilly for two years. He never touched an engine. A classmate I'd working at Best Buy, he told me he's pretty much the only one there who actually knows much about computers.
"Completed build has been removed."
Ha! I have yet to get my stuff together for a build, but I have my Dark Rock Pro 3 sitting in it's box next to me. I got it from Newegg when it was on sale for $59.99. Now that I have it, I sort of regret impulse buying it. It'll be more cooling than I will likely need, and has locked me out of the non-overclockable intels. I'd hate to just leave it sitting around or get rid of it. It's just so...pretty... But the logo orientation is going to be the death of me.
Yeah, I live in Wisconsin. Still shorts weather here. Looks like we won't have any snow for Christmas.
Man, we don't even have snow on the ground here in Wisconsin. :( Best of luck, and Happy Holidays!
If I may necro, yeah, Noctua makes some pretty hideous stuff. Was the person picking the colors colorblind? But they make excellent products if you don't mind the aesthetics!