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Comment reply on Forum Topic "AM4 vs LGA1511 - To Ryze or inTel?"

  • 28 months ago
  • 1 point

Every processor does benefit from faster ram yes, but faster ram speeds up the interlink between the two CCX's in Ryzen. Intel's chip design does not have that issue. What I was getting at, is that as we are able support faster RAM speeds with AM4 we should be seeing performance gains that are higher then what we see with intel as it also speeds up Infinity Fabric.

That said, the performance gains from faster RAM for Ryzen may only actually become apparent if the programs start stressing more then 4 cores in the 1700's case and more then 3 for the 1600. Ryzen's architecture is very different from Intels ring layout, could be bad, could be good

Most performance benchmarks have been around a 7-15% increase being able to run with faster ram speeds, but with the CCX issues that seems inline with normal intel performance increase for ram anyways.

I think I'd be interested to see benchmarks based on stressing all the cores, and this could be why we see rendering benchmarks coming off much differently then gaming ones.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "i5 and Ryzen5"

  • 28 months ago
  • 2 points

Performance will only show an advantage once you start multitasking programs. Content creation, photo editing, rendering, and streaming (and a few games that can actually use extra cores). The i5 is still great at this very minute. Future proofing more cores is nice to avoid CPU bottle necks. For example, games like BF1 LOVE cores. My i5 sits at 100% utilization across 4 cores, my 5820k has headroom due to the extra cores and threads.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "AM4 vs LGA1511 - To Ryze or inTel?"

  • 28 months ago
  • 1 point

Performance increase has been across the board with bios support for faster RAM. A lot of older benchmarks, and still some bias ones are utilizing 2133-2400 mhz ddr4 kits. Infinity fabric has been proven to work directly with faster ram speeds. So as these bugs get worked out performance will increase. If you can find benchmarks showing the differences between 2400 ram kits and 3200 ram kits there is a marked improvement.

https://hardforum.com/threads/ryzen-performance-gain-from-bios-update.1929000/

Its not just ashes, but yes, 30% was a bit generous on my part.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "AM4 vs LGA1511 - To Ryze or inTel?"

  • 28 months ago
  • 1 point

In my opinion Ryzen is the best dollar to performance going right now. The 1600X unless you need more PCIE lanes is a better buy then an i7 6850 for multi threaded work. Gaming wise, you're looking at potentially a 8ish % lower FPS, but higher minimums. Also keep in mind from launch BIOS to now, Ryzen 1700's have seen about a 30% performance increase.

If you're considering any content creation, Ryzen also seems to encode to twitch nicer as well. (according to linus)

Currently, I'm considering ditching my 5820k and making the jump to a 1700, since I can't afford a 6900 or 6950...

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Razer Blade Pro "THX Certified""

  • 29 months ago
  • 2 points

I feel like this in response to the Lenovo Legion laptop getting Dolby Atmos certification.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Who Else Wants Ryzen Just Because?"

  • 29 months ago
  • 1 point

Currently looking to replace my 5820k and X99 with a Ryzen 1700 and X370. Bang for the buck the CPU is unreal. I figure right now, I could make the switch for $650 cdn (without selling the 5820 and mobo).

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Square-Enix wants to ruin Persona 5's launch in the west?"

  • 30 months ago
  • 1 point

Based on past Persona games alone it will more then likely be the stronger game of the two. Will people buy it? Who knows, people love franchises, and Final Fantasy is one of the big ones, and was big long before 15.

Taking more time for a localization is not a bad thing. Persona games have a lot of character interactions which affect how story and events proceed so making sure that things are translated correctly is a must. Just translating it directly to English or other languages isn't good enough if the meaning gets lost.

Persona 4 was a huge success for Atlus at release(In Japan AND North America ie. spent a long time atop best seller lists when it lauched) but the series has been silent since 2008 unless you count the Vita re-release. This means that Atlus has to try and appeal to their old and new audiences, as an old fan I'm totally stoked for it. I like the story lines of SMT and Persona games much more then the usual convoluted messes that Final Fantasy games become, though 15 was a welcomed change in this regard even if the backstory was bonkers... again.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Just links for the Nvidia and AMD events today. What an exciting day!!"

  • 30 months ago
  • 1 point

They were super excited to show us more VR tech demo's that will likely launch as early access then abandoned before completion.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "How do you get your music?"

  • 30 months ago
  • 1 point

I tend to use Youtube if I need a quick fix (and at work), 7digital for ownership, and in the car I usually just listen to XM Radio.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Acer Aspire VX15 release date?"

  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

I read somewhere that both the Lenovo Legions and the Acer VX were expected sometime in February. I wish they would hurry though, trying to compare all the new 1050/1050ti laptops is difficulty when nobody has had a chance to play with them yet haha.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Need a laptop under 2k CAD/ 1.5k USD"

  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

both the ASUS GL502VM's support thunderbolt 3 and eGPU docks by the way.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "budget gaming laptop?"

  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

It wont void your warranty. Asus is very good regarding upgrades. I wouldn't go with the VS though in my opinion. VM with the 1060 has thunderbolt 3 while the VS doesn't. Means that the VM supports ASUS's GPU enclosure while the "better" VS does not. Thats my opinion however.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Gaming Laptop recommendations"

  • 31 months ago
  • 1 point

If you can hold off purchasing until mid to late February you will have some more options available. The New Dell Inspiron 7000 series is out now, but next month should also see offerings from Acer with their VX's and Lenovo's Legion series hitting market. All are very comparable with GTX 1050's or 1050ti's and launch around $899 USD.

The Legion Y720 (GTX1060 however, the Y520 has a 1050 and will be the $899ish offering) also in particular looked pretty good at CES with Thunderbolt 3, a built in Xbox controller wireless chip and Dolby Atmos.

The pascal gpus in these laptops are much nicer then previous generations and I highly suggest aiming for one of them rather then a Maxwell GPU.

If you extend your budget a bit more it opens up some of the GTX1060 gaming laptops such as (shameless plug cuz I love mine) the ASUS GL502VM, which has confirmed support with ASUS's ROG XG Station 2 which is a graphics card enclosure. Obviously not important right now but will help extend the life of a laptop considerably (and potentially make a desktop redundant).

Comment reply on Forum Topic "MSI Dream Build"

  • 32 months ago
  • 1 point

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Robotfood/saved/Tf34D3

White/Black for me this time. Named it Part 2... and then realized this is the 3rd one.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Alienware 13 R3 vs Razer Blade 2016"

  • 32 months ago
  • 1 point

Mines an older generation. The new ones have a new cooling design which looks a bit strange at first so the body is a bit bigger compared to the screen (sticks out a bit at the back, this is also where many of the ports are which helps make it look cleaner when all plugged up) however the construction is solid, and from one of the reviews I've seen of its big brother the 15 its OLED panel is fantastic colour wise, and the IPS holds its own against the ASUS ROG series. Hopefully this holds true for the 13.

I really enjoyed my 14, its thicker then this newer generation, but feels solid when you're handling it. My Asus feels somewhat flimsy by comparison. I also can't remember if the Alienware comes with Nvidia Optimus or GSync. It's an either or with pascal laptops. Optimus is fantastic for extending battery life as it shuts the gpu off on the fly when its not required.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Alienware-releases-first-VR-ready-13-inch-notebook.182077.0.html is a fairly solid review/rundown of it. It's thinner then the older style but might weigh a bit more as there are a lot more metals used in its construction now.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Alienware 13 R3 vs Razer Blade 2016"

  • 32 months ago
  • 1 point

The alienware is a much better laptop in terms of build quality. Can always keep the LEDs off to make it a bit less gaudy looking.

Dell also has much better customer support.

I should also mention that the alienware has keys with scissor switches while the Razer has chicklet keys, not sure if you prefer one over the other. I personally liked typing on my 14

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Alienware 13 R3 vs Razer Blade 2016"

  • 32 months ago
  • 3 points

Accidentally deleted everything I had typed.

Alienware's are built quite well in my experience (2013 Alienware 14) however trying to find replacement batteries after a year or two becomes a nightmare (thanks Dell). I also had a bad experience with the touch pad's matte film rubbing off creating a glossy spot that you kind of get 'stuck' when using it. (BOO Friction).

That said, I loved it. That computer is currently being used by a family member for accounting purposes, and I was able to eventually find a 3rd party battery at the fraction of the cost once (I'm assuming) the pattern or tooling to make them was bought out.

The styling of the 13 is very nice, the hinges are very very good and the command center lets you set up the LED's create profiles for them and power management, and they do have a battery saving program built in to prevent the battery from constantly charging and thus prolonging life. In terms of future proofing the Alienware external GPU enclosure is also cheaper compared to the Razer Core.

There was a user on Reddit recently that had some major customer service issues with Razer when trying to get a Blade that was out of warranty fixed, he was trying to get a quote for repair cost as his credit card companies warranty would cover the cost of repair. I believe he had an unanswered RMA ticket for a month or so.

MSI makes a 14" Laptop with a GTX1060 you might consider however its also not without its negatives such as bloatware and thermal issues. Phantom Pro

I have an ASUS GL502VM which has a GTX1060, but is a 15.6" laptop. Its thin, but obviously has a lot more surface area then what you've mentioned, however I bring it up as I was also looking at the same laptops you've mentioned a month ago now and the Asus has very similar specs at a lower price.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Alternatives for the Asus ROG GL702VM"

  • 32 months ago
  • 1 point

I have the 15" version... I love it.

I can only suggest looking at comparable MSI laptops, or Sager/Clevo laptops, however the GL502VM was exactly what I was looking for, and I still havn't tested it but in the bios it does have "alpine ridge" listed. I havn't verified it actually works as thunderbolt 3 drives are stupid expensive, but it might mean you can use an external graphics enclosure to prolong gaming life on it.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "ASUS GL502VM (ROG Strix) or MSI GS43VR (Phantom Pro)"

  • 33 months ago
  • 1 point

Thanks, I wish you luck with your build.

I tend to travel quite a bit for work so I like to have both. A battle station at home, and a lappy for the hotels... however I seem to have pretty awful luck when it comes to finding hotels with decent wifi.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Acer Predator 17 vs Asus ROG GL702VM"

  • 33 months ago
  • 1 point

The ASUS monitor is a 60Hz G-Sync IPS panel. Not sure about the Acer. Will Dig.

Dug what I could find. Apparently the Acer laptop is also a full HD IPS G-Sync panel. I just could not find if it was higher then 60Hz (no store page or spec sheet listed it, and as a funny note Acers own store page's spec sheet has a bunch of errors)

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Acer Predator 17 vs Asus ROG GL702VM"

  • 33 months ago
  • 1 point

Yeah... its pretty crappy right now. I was looking at some Sager laptops on sale in the US for black Friday and our dollar made it juuuust outside of being worth it sadly.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Acer Predator 17 vs Asus ROG GL702VM"

  • 33 months ago
  • 1 point

I believe the prices above are in Canadian... so that Aorus works out to about $3100 CDN.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Acer Predator 17 vs Asus ROG GL702VM"

  • 33 months ago
  • 1 point

I have the ASUS GL502VM, which is essentially the same laptop just in 15inches. It runs very nicely, though it does get hot while gaming. I haven't seen any thermal throttling but they do get warm.

http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=1199&item_id=098990 The GL702VM is on sale at Canada Computers/NCIX and Newegg Canada right now for 1799.99.

If you don't mind a 15.6" there is also the GL502VS for $2099 at Canada Computers. Its the model up from my own laptop and has a GTX1070 at the cost of being a few mm thicker then the VM.

(Take this with a grain of salt as I can't seem to find confirmation anywhere... but the GL502VM does have thunderbolt software installed on it and I have heard rumour that it didn't have the licensing to support it at launch and it was patched in later. Again not sure of the truth here since I don't have anything thunderbolt 3 enabled to test it with, but it would be interesting if it did.)

In terms of thermals the Acer Predator will run cooler, but the size of it might become a bit of an annoyance. It would be a desktop replacement more then a laptop truth be told.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "ASUS GL502VM (ROG Strix) or MSI GS43VR (Phantom Pro)"

  • 33 months ago
  • 1 point

Aye, I did end up going with the Asus, but more from a thermals standpoint. I'd also seen some questionable benchmarks that gave me pause regarding the MSI laptop. The SSD wasn't that big an issue and I purchased from Canada Computers, which instead of the free external HDD I received Forza Horizon 3 and Watch Dogs 2 for free. (not too bad a deal in my mind, same price as newegg.ca)

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Any good Multiplayer games you can recommend for me?"

  • 33 months ago
  • 1 point

Could always give Tera a go if you're looking for an action mmo (3rd person but skill based combat). Its still got a decent population from the look of things and I remember some of the dungeons being a blast to play through.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Anybody bought from directcanada.com?"

  • 33 months ago
  • 1 point

They're owned by NCIX, Based out of Vancouver. I've bought my PSU from them. Takes awhile for them to process payments but they ship very quickly once done.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "General music thead."

  • 33 months ago
  • 1 point

DJ Shadow - The Mountain Will Fall Full Album on Youtube

I don't even know how many times I've listened to this album start to finish this year, but I keep coming back to it.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Do you think AMD Zen will be released?"

  • 33 months ago
  • 2 points

Rumour is also putting performance of their 8 core offering on par with an i7-6850k in Cinebench at 1/3 of the cost.

(I want to be cautiously optimistic, but oh my, competitive pricing please come back!)

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Other than PC's: What are your hobbies?"

  • 33 months ago
  • 1 point

Bit of both actually. I will cross country during the winter instead of run, but most of the skiing I do is downhill.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Other than PC's: What are your hobbies?"

  • 34 months ago
  • 1 point

My big two that I love more then anything are sailing and skiing. Did ski patrol for awhile for the free seasons pass. I have a bunch more, but those two take all my money.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "thoughts on surface studio?"

  • 34 months ago
  • 1 point

This is essentially it. Anyone comparing it to a regular PC at this point are clearly not the target audience.

The ones I've seen excited about it are professionals. People looking to use the dial for digital painting, scrubbing through video using the surface dial and people looking to see if they can use it in a drafting roll. Basically its more powerful then the iMac's out there which Apple has continued to ignore.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Any Avenged Sevenfold fans here? This new album is incredible!"

  • 34 months ago
  • 1 point

Not gonna lie. I've chosen to ignore them since City of Evil. Sounding the 7th Trumpet and Waking the Fallen were my jam. I totally understand why they changed sound but it wasn't for me.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "ASRock WiFi Mini ITX Z170 Gaming MoBo - $114.49USD!!!"

  • 34 months ago
  • 1 point

Just to add my two cents. I have this motherboard and its great, I paid about this price at Microcenter about 4 months ago before it went back up to about $170. At $114 there really isn't another board out there with its features for the price.

Currently just waiting for ASRock to announce Kabylake BIOS support.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "GTX 1080 SLI vs Titan X (Pascal) for 1440p"

  • 34 months ago
  • 3 points

Basically this. I use a single 1080 to drive a 1440 at 144hz monitor. To this date, no matter how cool SLI is its a crapshoot, its up to developers to implement it, and with the number of shoddy ports we've seen recently its (in my opinion) better to go with a single card solution. With a single card you won't have to worry about disabling a card for certain games.

Comment reply on Robotfood's Completed Build: Nerf This!

  • 34 months ago
  • 1 point

Thanks, I'm very happy with it. Only thing I've added since was a 1TB SSD that I got on sale. Powers my Vive like a dream.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "HTC Vive or Oculus Rift CV1"

  • 35 months ago
  • 2 points

I really enjoy my Vive, however I've never tried Oculus. The room scale-VR experiences that Vive has are pretty damn cool. Vanishing Realms is a very immersive experience, and even many of the tech demo's are fantastic mini-games. The light boxes for the Vive are fairly easy to set up, and there are multiple options available if you don't want to wall mount them.

The biggest negative I can think of right now with current headsets is that small fonts, and fonts not designed with VR in mind can appear blurry in the headsets and this, for me at least, makes me feel a bit sick after reading them. It's the screen door effect. Otherwise regardless of the game, I can wear the VR headset for hours.

If you are interested in them, see if you can find a nearby Microsoft store, I was able to demo a Vive at one and it is really what sold me on it.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "EVGA GTX 1060 3GB SC (Small factor one)"

  • 35 months ago
  • 1 point

Do you have EVGA Precision X installed? If so try setting the fan a bit higher to see if that will solve the issue.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "MY PC arrives tomorrow, I dont have enough to pay the FedEx Duty fee... what to do ??!!!!!"

  • 35 months ago
  • 1 point

Duty and tariffs, are not usually calculated in the cost of shipping, some shipping companies will factor in brokers fees and duty into international shipping like Purolator will, however from my experience of living in Canada, FEDEX never do. DHL will also ask you pay duty if your package gets dinged, online prior to delivery here as well.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Did you ever make "The switch"?"

  • 35 months ago
  • 1 point

Late to the party as usual. My dad had a Pentium MMX with an ATI Rage 32mb video card. **** was awesome, I played games on that like Commander Keen, Duke Nukem, Jazz Jack Rabbit and Wolfenstein 3D before I even knew what a Nintendo NES or Sega Master System was. My childhood was all about Apogee.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "MSI contest part lists"

  • 35 months ago
  • 1 point

Ah its fine it would fit the theme, and worse comes to worse, I'd stick it in my Haswell-E X99 computer.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "$1,500 gaming build"

  • 35 months ago
  • 1 point

The 212 should handle a bit of an overclock without issue. If you are worried about it however you could look into something like the Cryorig H7 or H5. Cryorig's M9i is also a good alternative to the 212 and performs about the same, it performs about the same and does well on my 6600k clocked at 4.2ghz

The unlocked CPU's this generation don't actually come with a stock cooler. If you go with the 6500 the intel stock cooler would work without an issue.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "$1,500 gaming build"

  • 35 months ago
  • 1 point

Usually MicroCenter has a deal on buying CPU and motherboards at the same time. You've already picked out a Z170 motherboard, and with the intention to go for 4k gaming I would price out the i5-6600k when yo go. I know when I built my mITX in June I got $30 off the pair which essentially was the price difference between the 6500 and the 6600k at the time.

In terms of Wireless, its not always more expensive. But your options are limited when it comes to built in wifi on an ATX board. Most of the motherboards with wireless cards are mITX. MSI however does make a Z170 ATX board with that comes in slightly cheaper, but no idea if MicroCenter would carry it. MSI Z170 Tomahawk

Comment reply on Forum Topic "MSI contest part lists"

  • 35 months ago
  • 1 point

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type Item Price
CPU Intel Core i7-6850K 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor $609.98 @ NCIX US
CPU Cooler CRYORIG A40 83.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler $103.98 @ OutletPC
Motherboard MSI X99A GAMING PRO CARBON ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard $319.99 @ SuperBiiz
Memory Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory $74.99 @ Newegg
Storage Kingston Predator 240GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive $143.99 @ Newegg
Storage A-Data Premier SP550 480GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $109.99 @ NCIX US
Video Card MSI GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) $439.79 @ OutletPC
Video Card MSI GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) $439.79 @ OutletPC
Case Thermaltake Core P3 Snow Edition ATX Mid Tower Case $142.98 @ Newegg
Power Supply FSP Group Hydro G 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply $90.98 @ Newegg
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total (before mail-in rebates) $2491.46
Mail-in rebates -$15.00
Total $2476.46
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-09-08 09:42 EDT-0400

Not the RAM I actually wanted, made a mistake and submitted it without realizing I didn't make the change.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "207,202.78 (Guyanese Dollar)"

  • 36 months ago
  • 1 point

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type Item Price
CPU Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor $204.99 @ Newegg
Motherboard MSI B150M MORTAR Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard $89.99 @ Newegg
Memory G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory $60.99 @ Newegg
Storage A-Data Premier SP550 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $39.99 @ Newegg
Storage Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $49.99 @ Newegg
Video Card XFX Radeon RX 480 8GB Black Edition Video Card $274.98 @ Newegg
Case Thermaltake Core V21 MicroATX Mini Tower Case $71.98 @ Newegg
Power Supply EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply $69.99 @ Newegg
Operating System Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit $102.98 @ Newegg
Keyboard Cooler Master CM Storm Devastator Gaming Bundle Wired Gaming Keyboard w/Optical Mouse $19.99 @ Newegg
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total (before mail-in rebates) $1005.87
Mail-in rebates -$20.00
Total $985.87
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-09-01 15:20 EDT-0400

Prices are in USD as his budget is $1000 USD. Included an OS as I wasn't sure if you would require that, if not you have some wiggle room. PC should be able to handle 1080p at high settings no problem and could push 2k at lowered (med-high) settings, wasn't sure what resolution they're aiming for.

If OS isn't required I'd pick the PowerColor RedDevil or the XFX GTR RX480. Could probably find some wiggle room on other items in list.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "BF1 beta"

  • 36 months ago
  • 1 point

I have the code... but I'm at work.

Remember hit Rank 15, and play on 4 separate days for a special dog tag.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Help Tiny_Voices pick wheels for his new car!!!"

  • 36 months ago
  • 1 point

That's true, does put some constraints on but its better then nothing. Nice not having to pay shipping is pretty awesome, sadly being in Canada does me no favours haha.

Also no idea if they'd fit but I really like the Monte Titano MT1 Piana's in the Matte Titanium. I have the MT21's for a set of winter tires but I really like the simple design of the MT1's, and the matte titanium colour is just different.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Help Tiny_Voices pick wheels for his new car!!!"

  • 36 months ago
  • 1 point

http://www.tirerack.com/content/tirerack/desktop/en/homepage.html

I used these guys for my last set of wheels. I just like their site layout, can get an idea of what the wheels will look like on your car.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Do I need thermal paste?"

  • 36 months ago
  • 3 points

Those are only for exhausting out the back of the case. Front of the case has a 120 CFM 200mm fan, and the CPU cooler has a 92mm 48.4 CFM fan.

Generally if you buy decent fans you don't hear them. Even on my other rig with a bunch of Corsair SP120's the fans aren't the issue. AIO's tend to have a lot of pump noise, a good heatsink will always be quieter then an AIO.

For building quiet, you basically go with a heatsink cooler or a custom loop (and very big rads). If you want to look cool, sure go with the AIO, but it won't be as quiet.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Do I need thermal paste?"

  • 36 months ago
  • 1 point

Yup. I have one PC running a Corsair H100i, and another running a Cryorig M9i. My Air cooled PC is damn near silent. The AIO is definitely a lot louder as there are more moving parts involved.

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