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Comment reply on Forum Topic "looking for PSU?"

  • 27 days ago
  • 1 point

The VS black series uses Teapo SC's rated at 105C on the secondary side, which are completely fine, especially for a budget group-regulated PSU like itself...

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Site Estimating Only 410W for This Build"

  • 28 days ago
  • 1 point

Site is overestimating. That build draws maybe 300-350W, worst case scenario (overclocked and full load).

Comment reply on Forum Topic "What PSU for an MSI Pro Carbon ATX MOBO"

  • 29 days ago
  • 1 point

The 550W Focus is around $16 cheaper and as good as the 650W Focus for that system, which consumes around 350-400W in a overclocked and full load scenario.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "How much power can you pack with a 650w PSU"

  • 29 days ago
  • 1 point

Sorry, I should've said "a 650W non-crap PSU".

Comment reply on Forum Topic "What PSU for an MSI Pro Carbon ATX MOBO"

  • 29 days ago
  • 2 points

LOL, of course the extra 4pin being necessary stuff comes from Tom's Hardware forums. Literally no one has any idea of what they're talking about over there.

Most 18 gauge EPS connectors are rated for 9-10 amps, and with an 8-pin EPS having 4 pairs, worst case the EPS connector can supply 12 * 9 * 4 = 432W of power.

The +12V rail won't drop, nor will the system shut down due to "too high overclocks".

Comment reply on Forum Topic "How much power can you pack with a 650w PSU"

  • 29 days ago
  • 0 points

A 650W PSU can pack 650W.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Will my PSU last with this?"

  • 29 days ago
  • 1 point

Yes, it will last a very long time.

Also never listen to Reddit.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "What PSU for an MSI Pro Carbon ATX MOBO"

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

The 4-pin EPS connector does not matter at all. That is a mistake on PCPP's end to show the warning.

That is, unless your CPU draws more than 400W.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Is 1000 W Enough?"

  • 1 month ago
  • 3 points

Even 550W is more than enough, let alone 1000W. Don't waste money on unnecessary "upgrades" that don't affect anything.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "need a solid 1000 or 1200 watt psu"

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

Why stop there when OP's build costs thousands?

Go with the Corsair AX1600I instead, which is by far the best consumer PSU on the market currently.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Is this PSU good enough for upgrading GPU or should I upgrade PSU first"

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

If you want a potential fire, sure, it's good enough.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Is This Power Supply Powerful Enough?"

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

3600X and a GTX 1060 merely sip power, so the GQ will be fine if you already have it. However, it's low end compared to other PSU models in its price range, especially ones that are gold-rated; for example, the Corsair CX, which is around twice as cheap as it, is better in quality.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Is This Power Supply Powerful Enough?"

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

Yes, but you'd be advised to get a different one. 850W is highly unnecessary because your system draws around 200-250W worst case scenario, and the GQ is quite low-end and at a terrible price currently.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Is my PSU hindering my graphics quality?"

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

It is listed at ~400W.

Yes, PCPP may list it as 400W, but I believe that it will never consume 400W of DC power from the PSU in reality. That is because PCPP overestimates for a lot of components that aren't the CPU and GPU, such as the motherboard.

Having a powersupply that is rated for twice the power you are using is likely ideal

Source?

(you want your powersupply rated no higher than 5 times your typical power consumption)

Again, source?

I'd look at this one: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2cMwrH/corsair-vs-650-w-80-certified-atx-power-supply-cp-9020172-na

That's group regulated and should not be bought for any modern system with a good GPU and CPU in 2020.

(don't know anything about EVGA BR power supplies, other than the OP originally chose one).

Then why are you recommending it?

But the corsair at least is a solid brand that should supply that power for that price and EVGA is a well known company and the OP chose that particular line.

Are you assuming that both power supplies are good just because of the company that brands it?

By the same logic, the EVGA N1, which isn't sold in the EU due to safety laws, is also a decent PSU.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Is my PSU hindering my graphics quality?"

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

Why 650W when his system consumes nowhere near 650W?

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Is my PSU hindering my graphics quality?"

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

As your system consumes maybe around 350W max while overclocked and gaming, I would recommend a good 450-550W PSU. For example, the Corsair RMx 550W at $90 is at a decent price compared to everything else in its price range currently, including the Phanteks AMP.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Is my PSU hindering my graphics quality?"

  • 1 month ago
  • 2 points

No, PSUs don't work like that; they would simply shut down given correctly configured OPP and an overload.

However I would still replace it as it looks to be quite low quality; EVGA's bronze units all range from extremely bad to mediocre for all the other units, and the BR has no professional reviews with a 30C rating, which implies that EVGA doesn't want to send it out to reviewers because it has issues.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Is 750 W Enough?"

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

That build consumes something around 300-350W in an overclocked gaming scenario.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Will 80+ Gold 550w be enough?"

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

That system consumes around 300W in an overclocked gaming scenario, probably less.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "GOOD BUDGET PSUs: Feb. 2020"

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

Brand name's a pretty terrible way to go of things. Is, for example, the EVGA T2 not top end just because EVGA also brands the N1/W1?

Comment reply on Forum Topic "GOOD BUDGET PSUs: Feb. 2020"

  • 1 month ago
  • 2 points

GX1 is pretty similar to CX quality as it's based on a similar platform. Also you may as well remove the System Power U9 and CXm with that logic as both are considerably worse than the CX.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "GOOD BUDGET PSUs: Feb. 2020"

  • 1 month ago
  • 2 points

I would add Thermaltake GX1

Also, where do you find the GQ for that cheap?

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Need help picking a SAFE, but budget PSU..."

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

probably at 500w since it's only a few $ more than the 450w and gives you a little more headroom.

450W --> 500W in OP's build which consumes maybe around 200W max isn't going to do anything.

it hasn't had a good teardown review

More like no reviews at all.

I've never heard of any serious issues with it

Maybe because there's no reviews for it?

I believe it's better than the BT

Why?

and was deemed safe if not very sophisticated.

So being "safe" is the only requirement for a PSU to be good nowadays? (Which I assume you mean having full working protections)

Also I'm not so sure that I would call an old group regulated design "sophisticated"...

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Need help picking a SAFE, but budget PSU..."

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

Thermaltake GX1 500W is cheaper and based on a similar platform :D

Comment reply on Forum Topic "What kind of PSU will go "ka boom""

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Oh I see, I thought you were referring to mains brownout.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Wich PSU under 120 USD?"

  • 2 months ago
  • 2 points

Phanteks AMP 550W for $90 or Corsair RMx 550 for $100. The AMP is a rebranded Focus GX, and the RMx is better than every PSU you listed including the PRIME Gold and Focus Plat.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "What kind of PSU will go "ka boom""

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Brownout?

That sounds like a problem with your mains grid then...

Comment reply on Forum Topic "650W or 750W for this build"

  • 2 months ago
  • -1 points

It may pay to go for the 750W depending on how long you plan to have this system as PSU tend to degrade with age producing less power... a higher wattage would in theory last you longer before that became an issue.

That is a very common misconception people have with power supplies nowadays. That only happened to really bad PSUs back in the 00's, nowadays "degradation" is really not a thing, as is the capacitor plague. Modern PSUs work at 100% load until the day it dies outright. They don't "dip" to only 90% output or whatever. They just straight up die, whether it be due to a primary MOSFET shorting, the fan failing, secondary cap failure etc.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "650W or 750W for this build"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Let's see here...

3700X - 110W with PBO on Aida64
2060 Super - 220W overclocked
Everything else - Around 30W

Add them up, the result is 360W. Now in reality, the system would be more likely to use even less than 360W under, say, a gaming load, because the CPU's not going to be at 100% all the time, the reference cooler on the 2060 Super isn't likely to be able to dissipate 220W, etc.

Outervision recommends 750w, but says that the load wattage is only 524

Do you notice how they use affiliate links for their "recommended PSUs"?

They are sponsored by PSU-selling companies, and there's a clear conflict of interest here. Higher wattage PSUs cost pennies to make over lower wattage PSUs of the same platform, and they're usually much more expensive, which makes the profit of margin for them much higher.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "What kind of PSU will go "ka boom""

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

nice thread

Comment reply on Forum Topic "My first gaming pc build"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Think about it from AMD's perspective; they have to pander to the lowest common denominator, otherwise people who have trash PSUs will screech at them. Plus they don't know your CPU. For all they know it could be a 32 core overclocked Threadripper.

They don't want to recommend 500W only to have people buy trash 500W's that only output 300W of power and shutdown under load. They would much rather have people buy trash 700W's that can only output 500W but that can still support the 5700XT.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "My first gaming pc build"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Also, the the power requirements may change slightly under load

You mean GPU transients? PSUs like the CX/TXm handle those very well.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "My first gaming pc build"

  • 2 months ago
  • 2 points

half bridge

LLC

CXM has no OCP on the 12v rail

That does not matter much.

and there's coil whine issues occasionally with higher power GPUs.

Transformer whine with double forward, yes.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "What kind of PSU will go "ka boom""

  • 2 months ago
  • 2 points

you can sometimes get a CXM (the semi modular CX)

To add on to that, the CXm is much worse than the CX in quality.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "What kind of PSU will go "ka boom""

  • 2 months ago
  • 2 points

So absolute peak is above what that PSU could handle

One rare consumer case where 550W is not enough would be overclocked Vega 64, which can have power spikes to 500W

Keep in mind that most PSUs are designed to handle GPU transient spikes well, especially ones with LLC resonant converter as their primary topology.

For example: a well configured single rail PSU like the Corsair CX550 or TXm 550 etc. can handle an overclocked Vega 64 just fine.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "First build, $2k, be brutal"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

the cheaper psu is kinda better

How is the CXm better than the GQ?

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Cyberpunk 2077 PC build"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

RGB and cooling draws near 0 watts.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Try and find me a better 500GB NVME for around the same price."

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

The first and last drives you mentioned are the same drive, just with different labels.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Cyberpunk 2077 PC build"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

You can check around for reviews

The Seasonic S12III is hardly reviewed professionally.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Cyberpunk 2077 PC build"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Bitwit doesn't know anything about PSUs, nor does his fanbase.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Cyberpunk 2077 PC build"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

But when it comes to overclocking I think it's better to err on the side of caution.

I already said before that even with overclocking, the 5700XT etc. barely consume any power. Gamers Nexus, Tom's Hardware among other sources support this conclusion.

Also, with single-rail PSUs (which are the most common, but there are some multi-rail PSUs in the market), you're actually making the system MORE dangerous, not less, if you're going with over-the-top wattage like 750W+ for a single CPU/GPU system.

you get peace of mind that your power supply is up to any overclock you wish to try

A decent quality 550W PSU would be as good as a decent quality 1000W PSU in a 5700XT + 3600 overclocked system. But sure, if it suits you, go with the higher wattage one for peace of mind. I can't tell you what to and what not to do with your money.

power supplies are more efficient when using between 40 to 70% of capacity.

Compared to 100%, I assume. I agree that the PSU will be more efficient at 40-70% load compared to 100%, but the difference is negligible. In other words, the extra cash you spent on a higher wattage PSU in hopes of achieving better efficiency you won't see ever again, even in the span of decades.

For example, even low-end PSUs like the EVGA G5 exhibit this behavior: https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/F8SZs3T28z2T6rcFf8GBQV-650-80.png

90% at peak, 87% at full load. That 3% is nothing in the grand scheme of things.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Cyberpunk 2077 PC build"

  • 2 months ago
  • 3 points

RX 5700 XT cards are overclockable but do require quite a lot of power to do so, so you may wish to consider a 700+ watt power supply, (700 watts is AMD's recommendation for the RX 5700 XT).

The 5700 XT draws less than 250W fully overclocked. A system with an overclocked 3600 and 5700 XT would draw less than 350W, fully overclocked.

The reasons 700W is AMD's recommendation for the 5700 XT is because they need to cater to the lowest common denominator of consumers, AKA the ones who actively go out of their way to find the worst bomb of a PSU they can buy. There are less "bomb" 700W+ PSUs but that doesn't mean there aren't any. The 5700 XT doesn't actually NEED 700W of power, AMD just states it does in order to take responsibility off them and onto the masses instead.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "New build for a friend (800$ish)"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

(better voltage stability)

That could mean any one number of things, including ripple and voltage regulation.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Recommend power supply for 2080 super sli"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

You can see from a review for the card (abit OC rather then advanced): https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/9186/asus-geforce-rtx-2080-super-rog-strix-oc-review/index10.html it can push 320 watts or so out the box.

That's 320 watts for the SYSTEM power consumption. Tweaktown should've made that more clear.

However I can guarantee you that the 2080 Super will be throttling like mad before you hit 320W constant power consumption lol

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Corsair CX450M Is the PSU good for my specs?"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

I mean not really, the CX550 is only $1 more than the 450M and is much better quality.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "2070 S - Is it compatible with my 600w PSU"

  • 2 months ago
  • 2 points

By the time you really need 650W, though, you'll be able to afford stuff much better than a CX... keep in mind a well configured single rail 550W PSU can handle even an overclocked 9900K and 2080TI system just fine, so I doubt anyone needs 650W now let alone in the future, when performance per watt will increase...

Comment reply on Forum Topic "2070 S - Is it compatible with my 600w PSU"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Why not the 550W version?

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