Unless there are stock issues I can't see prices increasing in the short term, so waiting until Black Friday would be my suggestion
Will be upgrading the GPU after I get the monitor. It made sense to me to get the monitor first then choose a GPU that could drive it properly as I'm likely to keep the monitor longer than the GPU
You also suggest updating all necessary drivers as well?
So I would need to go up to £200 then, if it gets me in the range of the better boards, then I can stretch to that.
Anywhere upto about £150, which should cover most boards I believe, but I can go a little higher if needed.
Okay, i see what you're getting at. You want me to create a part list with those second parts to allow others to fill in the gaps to complete the build? Is that correct?
A second motherboard, power supply, case, windows 7 product key and air cooler. All could be used in a second PC build.
Yes I own everything in that build. And as I have mentioned in the 1st post, an extra mobo, psu, air cooler, case with fans and win 7 product key.
The GPU is being refunded as faulty. That money + possible a little extra if convinced will go on new GPU in the next couple of months.
Not sure what to do, but the options are a simple upgrade, or spilt the parts into a gaming PC and a NAS/media centre. Just trying to balance cost, necessity, and whether it is worthwhile doing so considering the extra parts I already have lying around. Splitting into 2 PC's would mean getting a new CPU, ram and possibly an SSD.
Should be able to easliy get some help if needed either on the EVGA forum or try Overclock.net forums.
Flickering and artifacting, here's an article with detail about firmware updates http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/matthew-wilson/firmware-updates-begin-rolling-out-to-fix-gtx-1070-memory-issues/
When did you get it?
Any issues that are similar to what's been reported?
Something like this then?
Prime95 I think, yes, or Passmark?
Currently, both Valley and Heaven benchmarks result in the same crash/restart issue that GTA 5 also experiences. But the temps hover around 65°C for the GPU at 55% fan speed, same as it has always been. The CPU around 50°C.
Will wait until tomorrow, when the new PSU arrives.
Thanks for trying to help.
I'll hold off on the upgrades, so thanks.
Gaming was fine up until a week ago. This PSU is considered pretty good. Hopefully the new one - Corsair RMX 650w will solve the issue. I pray it's not the GPU, it's only 5 months old.
Thanks, will keep it as is.
Utilities - like CPUID HWMonitor, GPU-Z, MSI Afterburner?!
Didn't think it was a RAM issue. No crashes when using very light games, PES 2016 or FM 2016; but when trying to run Sahdow of Mordor or GTA 5, PC would restart. This has only been happening for a week now. Thought it was drivers, but rolling back has had no effect. Will try a new PSU, if that fails, then I guess it's probably the GPU, but don't know why. May have to RMA it.
I have all of the hdd's power down after startup except when in use. Even when gaming at 1080p 60fps ultra settings, have never draw more than 310w.
Thanks for the other advice, will save my money for now.
Since I haven't been keeping up for the last 6 months, just curious if the gains are worth the investment for 1080p 60fps gaming?
For gaming silence isn't necessary, just something pretty quiet. Whilst fanless options are good, I accept some fan sound is inevitable.
My issue tends to be with the type of fan used (it's usually a good cost saving option for most psu's), so size, fan count and bearing type and the fan profile, so max rpm and the associated fan curve will affect it's overall sound signature.
Apologies, this is my current build, just seeing if any reasonable improvements are needed based on my uses - 1080p, 60fps gaming and trying to keep the system very quiet.
Most of the main parts are 18 months old. The drives have been added bit by bit, with the gpu and case fans most recent.
The 120GB for OS + programs, got a really good deal for the 250GB SSD for games, instead of using a noisy hdd.
Noted about the 390 and it is a better card, but I'm slightly paranoid about noise/sound and for my uses and from what I've found even the quietest 390, the MSI I think, still has the fans spinning up around 1800rpm, whereas the MSI 970 will spin up to about 1250rpm during gaming. Whilst not much to most gamers, for my peace of mind a little sacrifice on performance over a quieter gpu is preferred.
I did try a nf-f12 pwm fan in place, much better bearing sound, slower fan speed comparatively, quieter but more noticeable airflow sound owing to the design and higher static pressure. I think slightly better temps, a few degrees or so.
The ram downclocks itself to 1.5v and the timings change as well - so 1333MHz instead of 1600MHz. Would I see any real world improvements changing to something like this https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/crucial-memory-blt2k8g3d1608et3lx0 either 8GB or 16 GB. I suppose it's all linked to CPU, DDR4/DDR3 and whether newer CPU/mobo/ram combo releases have any proper performance jumps over what I have.
The drives are for A LOT of media storage. It's a shame the R4 doesn't have the modular cages that the newer R5 has to help airflow, but I don't know if it's worth the expense to upgrade to the R5. Unless there are other better silent cases out there.
So my gaming tends to be AAA titles - GTA 5, Mordor, Witcher, Arkham Knight (when?!) you get the jist. All at ultra/very high game settings at 1080p on a 27 inch 60Hz monitor, so 60fps is fine for me. Pretty happy with these settings. On the GPU front I think I can wait until HBM comes out fully next year and maybe 1440p/4k gets a little cheaper, but that's all for next year.
Will try it, but the fact it's present on two separate 970's from different brands and on different psu's is curious/worrying.
I'm guessing overclocing using MSI AB is suggested, but how much?
Already set up a fan curve, it seems to work pretty well so far.
Noted about the drive cages.
Well I have an R4 with a bequiet shadow rock 2 for the cpu cooler (1600rpm max, single 120mm fan) that's fine, cpu temp maxes at 55°C at 1178 rpm. GPU is MSI 970 4G Gaming (two 100mm fans, 2300rpm max), reaches 65°C with 1268rpm.
Previously had stock two 140mm 1000rpm fractal fans (1front and 1 exhaust). Now have 3 NF-A14 FLX and planning on using as 2 front and 1 rear exhaust on the case fan control at 5V for less intensive tasks and 7V for gaming. Hope to keep system pretty quiet, but am reasonable in this regard for gaming.
How have you set up your case fans?
Your part list has pwm and non-pwn fans, interested to know, especially that diddy fan in the optical bay.
That is the one I've been looking at, but seeing as I'm currently using a R4, I don't know if I could justify it; but it could solve some issues in my current setup.
My system is loaded with 5 HDD's and 2 SSD's, so with the R4 I'm presently stuck with having to keep the two drive cages in place along with the optical bay - meaning restricted airflow.
I was thinking that a full tower would create greater breathing room, but the R5 is a great option to modify the setup with the front cages being modular.
I think most brands now run a zero fan mode of some sort. I prefer to have the fans on all the time and set a custom fan curve, rather then have the fans boost up at a certain temp threshold.
I guess what I'm looking for is the most effective quiet fans when the fans are actually running. This tends to usually be the gpu with a two fan setup, the largest fans and running at the lowest rpm without sacrificing temps too much. (I guess a large heatsink as well)
For example, in the 970 series, the quietest brand I believe to be the MSI 970. It has two 10cm fans which run to a max rpm of ~2300, while keeping the card pretty cool.
If MSI has brought the same fan setup over to the R9 300 series, it might mean the fans have to run at a higher rpm seeing as AMD gpu's run hotter vs Nvidia. But without owner data, I can't verify this.
I've had that video bookmarked for ages, back when I was weighing up the 970's. The MSI 970 is the quietest. It's just on one users gpuz screenshot for the MSI 390, it looks as if the fans spin up a lot higher to cope with the increased thermals. But I need a few more owners and their dat before I can confrm this.
Both good brands, and the Asus is nice, but my priority is the quietest gpu.
Ideally, I would like 10cm fans and fans that spin at slower rpms, so lower noise. Can't find definitive info on this, but if the twin frozr 5 on the msi r9 390 is the same as the one on the gtx 970, then it will be 10cm. The other brands I don't know without owners input. The only info I still seek is the fan speed/rpm at gaming load.
What's the benefit of the the digital link and multi-rail function?
These are the prices
G2 650w £75, RMi 650w £93
G2 750w £89, RMi 750w £100
Is the G2 really better internally; didn't jonnyguru review have the RMi slightly better?
Would the temps, power requirements match the 290? Reviews out already?!
Thanks, have to try and sell the FTW+ now. Shame I haven't got the rep points to use overclock, guess I'm stuck with ebay.
Thanks, I see from the first link that the vrm's aren't properly cooled on either, anything to be concerned about.
I'm leaning to MSI, so with that in mind would the MSI Gaming Million edition with the backpate provide any cooling beneift?
What are temps like on the MSI gaming, I heard the vrm's don't get cooled properly, this an issue? What roughly is the max rpm o those fans? I think I read somewhere that the MSi gaming gets up to around 1300rpm.
I found the MSI gaming ME (with backplate), woudl this be a good option? http://www.scan.co.uk/products/4gb-msi-gtx970-gaming-100-million-edition-in-nvidia-green!-pcie-30-gddr5-gpu-1140mhz-to-1279mhz-dp-h
So how often should I look to upgrade?
I ended up getting it for £281 inc shippingg, which is about £40 less than it retails for. That should do me for at least 18 months you reckon.
Will nvidia provide adequate driver support for the 900 series (970's most popular amongst them) for a reasonable period of time?
No hate for AMD, I'm actually quite fond of them.
My system is hanidcapped by a 500w PSU and 5 HDD's, so I need the card to run cool and quiet. I would also like it to last for 3 years. Since all but the FURY range are rebadges to some degree, I'm speculating that the PSU requirements will remain as will the thermal performance.
I won't be buying for a few weeks, unless I see something for a must have price.
But does the current price justify the performance gain. It might fall in a few weeks when the new cards finally drop?
How difficult was it to fit that cooler?
I'm looking at getting that ram for the ga h87 hd3 mobo, are you running the ram at 1.5v and what effect on speed and latency.
Thanks, will do. (You're not wrong about the utilty prices in the UK, absolute joke).